Now that Fenech's loss to Nelson has been overturned.....

[ShoulderRoll]

You mean it wasn't even close to being decided.

It took six fights for SRR to finally express his domination of LaMotta.

You actually think what happened in that ring thst night was the end all to the Whitaker-Chavez question?

You watch too much sport; you got counting points on the mind not prize fighting.

I was a Chavez fan and watched it at a fight party full of Chavez fans.

No one there felt that was a draw. Let alone a win for Chavez.

[QueensburyRules]

I was a Chavez fan and watched it at a fight party full of Chavez fans.

No one there felt that was a draw. Let alone a win for Chavez.

- - What grade was they in?

[Willie Pep 229]

I was a Chavez fan and watched it at a fight party full of Chavez fans.

No one there felt that was a draw. Let alone a win for Chavez.

No problem with that scoring.

Do you believe Whitaker proved the better man that night? I say, we needed more fights.

Do you consider the Lopez-Kambosos issue settled because of the score cards?

Would you/did you think the Ali-Frazier issued settled after the first fight?

Too much emphasis on judges pont scoring of close (usually indifferent/irrelevant) rounds and not enough prize fighting for my liking.

I walked away from the Whitaker-Chavez fight (a fan of neither) saying. "EH! That wasn't a very good showing from either."

If that performance, by Whitaker that night, is what makes him an ATG to you, we have very different opinions as to what an ATG looks like in the ring.

[JAB5239]

No problem with that scoring.

Do you believe Whitaker proved the better man that night? I say, we needed more fights.

Do you consider the Lopez-Kambosos issue settled because of the score cards?

Would you/did you think the Ali-Frazier issued settled after the first fight?

Too much emphasis on judges pont scoring of close (usually indifferent/irrelevant) rounds and not enough prize fighting for my liking.

I walked away from the Whitaker-Chavez fight (a fan of neither) saying. "EH! That wasn't a very good showing from either."

If that performance by Whitaker, that night, is what makes him an ATG to you, we have very different opinions as to what an ATG looks like in the ring.

Wasn't Chavez offered 7 million for a rematch right after the fight? For some reason the rematch never happened. Pea was a bad styles match-up for him and I don't think King fancied the idea of taking an L on the way to a 100-0-1 record that was being written so much about before the Whitaker fight.

[Willie Pep 229]

Wasn't Chavez offered 7 million for a rematch right after the fight? For some reason the rematch never happened. Pea was a bad styles match-up for him and I don't think King fancied the idea of taking an L on the way to a 100-0-1 record that was being written so much about before the Whitaker fight.

OK - I have no clue about the politics involved.

Maybe King realized Chavez was finished. Didn't Chavez lose quickly after the fight?

Then Chavez became just a name for Oscar to build a reputation on. It turned out he was finished IMO.

Whitaker may well have prevailed if there was another fight; and Chavez may well have ducked the rematch, but that fight, that night, to my mind settled nothing. It didn't need to ID a winner.

Yes if your into counting points and believe that it is necessary to avoid scoring even rounds (because TV wants a winner) then yea sure, Whitaker could have won the decision.

But eh! To me, with those kind of decisions, I just see three fat men's opinion on the close but irrelevant rounds tallied up so we could have a winner, I'm not moved by those decisions.

As with so many of these close decisions I really don't see a winner. I usually walk away feeling the issue is still unsettled (as I did that night. A draw seemed fine; should have opened the door for a rematch.

Personally I can't understand how you guys walk away from these close decisions thinking they were impressive wins.

[JAB5239]

OK - I have no clue about the politics involved.

Maybe King realized Chavez was finished. Didn't Chavez lose quickly after the fight?

Then Chavez became just a name for Oscar to build a reputation on. It turned out he was finished IMO.

Whitaker may well have prevailed if there was another fight; and Chavez may well have ducked the rematch, but that fight, that night, to my mind settled nothing. It didn't need to ID a winner.

Yes if your into counting points and believe that it is necessary to avoid scoring even rounds (because TV wants a winner) then yea sure, Whitaker could have won the decision.

But eh! To me, with those kind of decisions, I just see three fat men's opinion on the close but irrelevant rounds tallied up so we could have a winner, I'm not moved by those decisions.

As with so many of these close decisions I really don't see a winner. I usually walk away feeling the issue is still unsettled (as I did that night. A draw seemed fine; should have opened the door for a rematch.

Personally I can't understand how you guys walk away from these close decisions thinking they were impressive wins.

I didn't think it was a close decision. JCC was ranked number one before Pea. He lost a split decision to Randall 3 fights later where he would have won but for two points deducted for low blows. After that he won 7 fights before being fed to Oscar. I believe, and its just my opinion, that both he and King knew Whitaker was a bad match-up for him, hence no rematch. Proving that though is another story.

[ShoulderRoll]

No problem with that scoring.

Do you believe Whitaker proved the better man that night? I say, we needed more fights.

Do you consider the Lopez-Kambosos issue settled because of the score cards?

Would you/did you think the Ali-Frazier issued settled after the first fight?

Too much emphasis on judges pont scoring of close (usually indifferent/irrelevant) rounds and not enough prize fighting for my liking.

I walked away from the Whitaker-Chavez fight (a fan of neither) saying. "EH! That wasn't a very good showing from either."

If that performance, by Whitaker that night, is what makes him an ATG to you, we have very different opinions as to what an ATG looks like in the ring.

Kambosos beat Lopez fair and square. But in that situation you could see that maybe it was an atypical performance by Teofimo and with a better fight plan he could win a rematch.

Whitaker on the other hand absolutely proved himself the better man. Chavez fought like he always did, he simply wasn't effective after the first two rounds. Whitaker's defense and countering were just too good and always would be. There's nothing that you would say Chavez could realistically do differently to change the result.

[QueensburyRules]

Kambosos beat Lopez fair and square. But in that situation you could see that maybe it was an atypical performance by Teofimo and with a better fight plan he could win a rematch.

Whitaker on the other hand absolutely proved himself the better man. Chavez fought like he always did, he simply wasn't effective after the first two rounds. Whitaker's defense and countering were just too good and always would be. There's nothing that you would say Chavez could realistically do differently to change the result.

- - If Peashooter wanted to change the results, all he had to do was take the fight to the great fighter instead of clowning.

It was his fatal weakness in his first loss that he never learned from. Retired after a short career and seemed to be short of $$$ for the duration, when all he had to do was freaking FIGHT like a man, and not a clown.

[JAB5239]

- - If Peashooter wanted to change the results, all he had to do was take the fight to the great fighter instead of clowning.

It was his fatal weakness in his first loss that he never learned from. Retired after a short career and seemed to be short of $$$ for the duration, when all he had to do was freaking FIGHT like a man, and not a clown.

You mad that the overwhelming percentage of people who actually watched the fight had Whitaker winning rather easily?

[markusmod]

You mad that the overwhelming percentage of people who actually watched the fight had Whitaker winning rather easily?

I thought Whittaker won, but I had it a lot closer than most