Tunney-Greb 2

[Dr. Z]

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Greb also, at least according to some observers, possessed a particular talent for getting away with underhanded tactics, mixing fouls in with the flurry of non-stop punches he launched at his opponents. At different times he was accused of utilizing headbutts, elbows, low blows, and thumbs to the eyes. It was also noted that he often intimidated referees by yelling at them when they attempted to break up the fighters, as he enjoyed mauling and wrestling on the inside, all the better to land shots south of the border or an inadvertent elbow to the larynx.

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The truth is some historians didn't consider Greb to be great not because he wasn't skilled but because he was dirty.

At different times he was accused at headbutts, low blows and thumbs to the eyes? I guess you need quote form the opponent accusing him of the above...if they were bothered to be questioned and interviewed by the press.

As for the lack of DQ's speculation on my end was it difficult for the gamblers to lay odds in the time line, a reason the why it was not often called in the 1918-1920's. That is of course reasonable speculation but Greb fouling often in fights as reported by several others is not speculation.

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Many of these quotes and links are uncovered ground by me. There is more... Do you read these quotes?

The truth is some historians didn't consider Greb to be great not because he wasn't skilled but because he was dirty.

At different times he was accused at headbutts, low blows and thumbs to the eyes? I guess you need quote form the opponent accusing him of the above...if they were bothered to be questioned and interviewed by the press.

As for the lack of DQ's speculation on my end was it difficult for the gamblers to lay odds in the time line, a reason the why it was not often called in the 1918-1920's. That is of course reasonable speculation but Greb fouling often in fights as reported by several others is not speculation.

We have been over this ad nauseum. Unless you have e quote from fighters you are showing me nothing new and are not going to change my mind. I've said what I've said. Ive read everything you have. I've also read of many many other fighters of that era being g disqualified for many things. I've read about ducking and the color line being drawn. Everything you post about this is from people who were not in the ring with Greb. I've said o er and over I didn't believe Greb fouled intentionally Unless provoked. This is corraborated but men who fought him and Tunneys own team from something you posted. So calling Greb a rough fighter is just. Saying he commited fould is just. Saying he is a dirty fighter IS speculation only.

[Dr. Z]

We have been over this ad nauseum. Unless you have e quote from fighters you are showing me nothing new and are not going to change my mind. I've said what I've said. Ive read everything you have. I've also read of many many other fighters of that era being g disqualified for many things. I've read about ducking and the color line being drawn. Everything you post about this is from people who were not in the ring with Greb. I've said o er and over I didn't believe Greb fouled intentionally Unless provoked. This is corraborated but men who fought him and Tunneys own team from something you posted. So calling Greb a rough fighter is just. Saying he commited fould is just. Saying he is a dirty fighter IS speculation only.

Oh not its not. Show me the DQ'd fights form 1917-1925 by the way form champions. I quoted many historians, refs, and authors of Greb's dirty tricks. Not all of the fouls were provoked. Yes he fouled without being provoked in fights. Like I said the maybe there is a reason on why foulers weren't DQ's in the time line. I suspect ******** , and it got so bad that in the early 1930's 7 fights changed hands via DQ.

Tunney's corner was quoited saying Greb butting him in the first fight and given the amount of blood he lost and collapsing while exiting the ring, the man might not remember much from the fight. His corner said this, they were they we were not. Obviously if they we laying the tree would call them out! Yet they don't.

Read a man must fight. In there is information on the Greb fight. What's next unless it isn't on film I don't believe it?

[JAB5239]

Oh not its not. Show me the DQ'd fights form 1917-1925 by the way form champions. I quoted many historians, refs, and authors of Greb's dirty tricks. Not all of the fouls were provoked. Yes he fouled without being provoked in fights. Like I said the maybe there is a reason on why foulers weren't DQ's in the time line. I suspect ******** , and it got so bad that in the early 1930's 7 fights changed hands via DQ.

Tunney's corner was quoited saying Greb butting him in the first fight and given the amount of blood he lost and collapsing while exiting the ring, the man might not remember much from the fight. His corner said this, they were they we were not. Obviously if they we laying the tree would call them out! Yet they don't.

Read a man must fight. In there is information on the Greb fight. What's next unless it isn't on film I don't believe it?

You're getting g quite testy fore someone who said they'd provide quotes from fighters saying g Greb was dirty, but have not produced. I've been over all of this with you already. You can say Gene's corner said they saw pi k elephants flying over Madison Square garden. It doesn't really matter to me. They also said they don't believe Greb intentionally fouled, and Tunney himself said Greb was not a dirty fighter. Why would I listen to people who weren't fighting Greb, but not the People who did? You want me to say he was a dirty fighter so badly, but it's not going to happen because I don't personally believe that through my own research. I do believe a fouled. I do not believe most were intentional. You mention betting. Maybe the the ref was on the take or bet against Greb and was intentionally trying to force a disqualification. Sou ds crazy, but I bet you can't prove that was not the case.