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    BoxRec.com - So good at so many things.
    All-Time Rankings was never one of them.
    Still, they have improved in recent times, putting some sanity and information behind them, where once there was a talentless algorithm that produced some of the strangest ranking mistakes ever publised anywhere.
    Linked here is their latest 100 P4P.
    I have some arguments.
    I'm pretty sure most of us do.
    What are some of your complaints?

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.giv...ime-ranked/amp


    Mayweather, Tyson, Fury, Ali, Canelo: 100 greatest boxers of all time ranked

    By Sam Pearce
    October 14, 2022

    Floyd Mayweather, Mike Tyson, Tyson Fury, Manny Pacquiao and Muhammad Ali are just some of the names that will jump to people’s minds when the greatest boxers of all time are mentioned, but who is the greatest of all time?

    Boxing is a sport that has an abundance of greats across all weight divisions and time periods, but trying to rank them is incredibly hard given all the varying factors.

    Thankfully, respected boxing stats website Boxrec have compiled the list of the greatest fighters across all divisions and time periods, so let’s dive into the list and see who they believe to be the greatest boxer of all time.

    Top 100 greatest boxers of all time: 100-91

    100. Charles Humez

    99. Johnny Indrisano

    98. Sumbu Kalambay

    97. Vitali Klitschko

    96. Joey Maxim

    95. Jack Berg

    94. Jimmy Bivins

    93. Bobo Olson

    92. Nicolino Locche

    91. Kosta Tszyu

    There’s some huge fighting records in here, such as Jack Berg’s 157 wins in his 192 bouts, with Nicolino Locche also notching up over 100 wins in his career. The biggest name in this bracket has to be Vitali Klitschko, with the Ukrainian a multiple heavyweight world champion.

    Top 100 greatest boxers of all time: 90-81

    90. Nino Benvenuti

    89. Jack Carroll

    88. Dave Shade

    87. Lou Brouillard

    86. Pernell Whitaker

    85. Gustav Scholz

    84. Randolph Turpin

    83. Mikkel Kessler

    82. Luis Rodriguez

    81. Shane Mosley

    Again we see some unholy amount of wins with Dave Shade registering 156, Lou Brouillard with 101 and Luis Rodriguez with 107. However, we are still yet to see an undefeated boxer on this list, although it’s surely only a matter of time before we see someone with that coveted 0 in their losses column.
    Top 100 greatest boxers of all time: 80-71

    80. Eddie Booker

    79. Erik Morales

    78. Johnny Dundee

    77. Rocky Kansas

    76. Mike Tyson

    75. Vernon Forest

    74. Billy Petrolle

    73. Willie Pep

    72. Wilfred Benitez

    71. George Foreman

    This group of 10 fighters has a lot to unpack. Firstly there’s Johnny Dundee and Willie Pep recording over 200 wins in their careers with 201 and 229 respectively. However, we then have George Foreman and Mike Tyson way down on the list. Iron Mike is many people’s go to for the GOAT, so to see him outside the top 75 is mind boggling.
    Top 100 greatest boxers of all time: 70-61

    70. Antonio Cervantes

    69. Marcel Thil

    68. Sammy Angott

    67. Jersey Joe Walcott

    66. Ted Kid Lewis

    65. Mickey Walker

    64. Terence Crawford

    63. Joey Giadrdello

    62. Kid Gavilan

    61. Gene Tunney

    Given the era some of these men fought in, you’d be forgiven for not knowing who most were and they they’re higher up than the likes of Foreman and Tyson. However, Terence Crawford is hot property in the sport, becoming the first undisputed champion in the light welterweight division since Tszyu, becoming the first man to hold all four major word titles simultaneously since Jermain Taylor in 2005 and is one of only eight male boxers to do so.
    Top 100 greatest boxers of all time: 60-51

    60. Duilio Loi

    59. Ismael Laguna

    58. Gennady Golovkin

    57. Mike McCallum

    56. Carl Froch

    55. Alexis Arguello

    54. Ike Williams

    53. Tommy Loughran

    52. Thomas Hearns

    51. Larry Holmes

    There are more and more recognisable names on this list for those that aren’t boxing encyclopaedias, with the likes of Carl Froch making his appearance in the ranking, however the biggest name has to be Gennady Golovkin, who lost his trilogy fight with Canelo Alvarez last month in one of the biggest fights of the year.

    Top 100 greatest boxers of all time: 50-41

    50. Tyson Fury

    49. Joe Frazier

    48. Pete Latzo

    47. Carlos Ortiz

    46. **** Tiger

    45. Lou Ambers

    44. Felix Trinidad

    43. Jackie Fields

    42. Wladimir Klitschko

    41. Jack Britton

    Now we start to see some big hitters on the list, with Muhammad Ali’s rival Joe Frazier and one of the biggest heavyweights in the world today, Tyson Fury, with The Gypsy King looking to become the first undisputed heavyweight champion for over 20 years.

    Top 100 greatest boxers of all time: 40-31

    40. Oscar De La Hoya

    39. Harold Johnson

    38. Mike Gibbons

    37. Sonny Liston

    36. Evander Holyfield

    35. Lloyd Marshall

    34. Julio Cesar Chavez

    33. Jake LaMotta

    32. Emile Griffith

    31. Gene Fulmer

    Some of the bigger names in this list include Sonny Liston, and fellow American Evander Holyfield, with the latter renowned for his rivalry with Mike Tyson which saw Iron Mike bite a chunk of his ear off during a bout.

    Top 100 greatest boxers of all time: 30-21

    30. Roberto Duran

    29. Roy Jones Jr

    28. Rocky Marciano

    27. Young Corbett III

    26. Manny Pacquiao

    25. Joe Calzaghe

    24. Ezzard Charles

    23. Saul Canelo Alvarez

    22. Charley Burley

    21. Jose Napoles

    One of the more underrated British fighters of all time in Joe Calzaghe gets some recognition in this list, being ranked 1 place above Manny Pacquiao, the Brit’s perfect 46-0 record definitely goes some way to his ranking in this list, with Saul Canelo Alvarez narrowly above him.

    Top 100 greatest boxers of all time: 20-11

    20. Sammy Mandell

    19. Andre Ward

    18. Barney Ross

    17. Bernard Hopkins

    16. Harry Greb

    15. Floyd Patterson

    14. Ray Leonard

    13. Lennox Lewis

    12. Tony Canzoneri

    11. Archie Moore

    There’s some ridiculous fighting records on this section of the list, with the biggest name arguably Lennox Lewis, The Lion was undisputed heavyweight champion in 2002, with no other man being able to achieve the feat since, showing us the size of his accomplishments when you consider some of the greats who have come after him.

    Top 100 greatest boxers of all time: 10-1

    10. Marvelous Marvin Hagler

    9. Holman Williams

    8. Joe Louis

    7. Henry Armstrong

    6. Benny Leonard

    5. Jimmy McLarin

    4. Carlos Monzon

    3. Muhammad Ali

    2. Floyd Mayweather

    1. Sugar Ray Robinson

    Floyd Mayweather normally is criminally underrated in lists such as this, with a perfect 50-0 record, taking the sport of boxing to obscene heights, he certainly deserves more respect. So to see him ahead of Muhammad Ali is huge for him, however, neither of those greats were worthy of top spot in Boxrec’s opinion, with Sugar Ray Robinson, who recorded a staggering 109 knockouts in 174 victories, being crowned the GOAT of boxing.​

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    I like McLarin so I am glad to see him so high on the list - but actually quite surprised. Since he dropped two decisions (won one) with Barney Ross (18th).

    Same with Holman Williams, making him the highest ranked fighter without a title.

    In fact who is the next highest ranked fighter without a title? (You guys know this better than me.) I'm guessing Burley at (#22)

    Are there any more non-title holders in the top 50?

    Another out side the box thinking is Patterson one step ahead of Greb.

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    • #3
      Not sure who this Sam Pearce is, but he has a great sense of humor. Or he needs to stop freebasing his Prozac.

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      • #4
        Some quite bizarre choices but Mikkel Kessler being included takes the cake.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by GhostofDempsey View Post
          Not sure who this Sam Pearce is, but he has a great sense of humor. Or he needs to stop freebasing his Prozac.
          Or maybe start.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by IronDanHamza View Post
            Some quite bizarre choices but Mikkel Kessler being included takes the cake.
            Made me chuckle too

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            • #7
              - - Who Charley Humez?

              All I know is Manny fought, whooped, and KOed more Ring p4pers than anyone in history in the 40+ years of those rankings, the epitome of the top dog over the past 40 years.

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              • #8
                Ward is higher than Canelo lmfao. Canelo has legit top 10 case and top 15 "at worst". Ward ain't even top 50.

                Ali is way overrated p4p fighter. He is goat hw in terms of resume but he ain't in my top 10. There are lots of multi division monsters who fought much bigger fighters than themselves in history. Ali ain't that incredible.

                Etc.. etc.. I can found 750 ****** things in that list. Big websites' lists are ****** cause their editors ain't very bright.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Willow The Wisp View Post
                  BoxRec.com - So good at so many things.
                  All-Time Rankings was never one of them.
                  Still, they have improved in recent times, putting some sanity and information behind them, where once there was a talentless algorithm that produced some of the strangest ranking mistakes ever publised anywhere.
                  Linked here is their latest 100 P4P.
                  I have some arguments.
                  I'm pretty sure most of us do.
                  What are some of your complaints?

                  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.giv...ime-ranked/amp


                  Mayweather, Tyson, Fury, Ali, Canelo: 100 greatest boxers of all time ranked

                  By Sam Pearce
                  October 14, 2022

                  Floyd Mayweather, Mike Tyson, Tyson Fury, Manny Pacquiao and Muhammad Ali are just some of the names that will jump to people’s minds when the greatest boxers of all time are mentioned, but who is the greatest of all time?

                  Boxing is a sport that has an abundance of greats across all weight divisions and time periods, but trying to rank them is incredibly hard given all the varying factors.

                  Thankfully, respected boxing stats website Boxrec have compiled the list of the greatest fighters across all divisions and time periods, so let’s dive into the list and see who they believe to be the greatest boxer of all time.

                  Top 100 greatest boxers of all time: 100-91

                  100. Charles Humez

                  99. Johnny Indrisano

                  98. Sumbu Kalambay

                  97. Vitali Klitschko

                  96. Joey Maxim

                  95. Jack Berg

                  94. Jimmy Bivins

                  93. Bobo Olson

                  92. Nicolino Locche

                  91. Kosta Tszyu

                  There’s some huge fighting records in here, such as Jack Berg’s 157 wins in his 192 bouts, with Nicolino Locche also notching up over 100 wins in his career. The biggest name in this bracket has to be Vitali Klitschko, with the Ukrainian a multiple heavyweight world champion.

                  Top 100 greatest boxers of all time: 90-81

                  90. Nino Benvenuti

                  89. Jack Carroll

                  88. Dave Shade

                  87. Lou Brouillard

                  86. Pernell Whitaker

                  85. Gustav Scholz

                  84. Randolph Turpin

                  83. Mikkel Kessler

                  82. Luis Rodriguez

                  81. Shane Mosley

                  Again we see some unholy amount of wins with Dave Shade registering 156, Lou Brouillard with 101 and Luis Rodriguez with 107. However, we are still yet to see an undefeated boxer on this list, although it’s surely only a matter of time before we see someone with that coveted 0 in their losses column.
                  Top 100 greatest boxers of all time: 80-71

                  80. Eddie Booker

                  79. Erik Morales

                  78. Johnny Dundee

                  77. Rocky Kansas

                  76. Mike Tyson

                  75. Vernon Forest

                  74. Billy Petrolle

                  73. Willie Pep

                  72. Wilfred Benitez

                  71. George Foreman

                  This group of 10 fighters has a lot to unpack. Firstly there’s Johnny Dundee and Willie Pep recording over 200 wins in their careers with 201 and 229 respectively. However, we then have George Foreman and Mike Tyson way down on the list. Iron Mike is many people’s go to for the GOAT, so to see him outside the top 75 is mind boggling.
                  Top 100 greatest boxers of all time: 70-61

                  70. Antonio Cervantes

                  69. Marcel Thil

                  68. Sammy Angott

                  67. Jersey Joe Walcott

                  66. Ted Kid Lewis

                  65. Mickey Walker

                  64. Terence Crawford

                  63. Joey Giadrdello

                  62. Kid Gavilan

                  61. Gene Tunney

                  Given the era some of these men fought in, you’d be forgiven for not knowing who most were and they they’re higher up than the likes of Foreman and Tyson. However, Terence Crawford is hot property in the sport, becoming the first undisputed champion in the light welterweight division since Tszyu, becoming the first man to hold all four major word titles simultaneously since Jermain Taylor in 2005 and is one of only eight male boxers to do so.
                  Top 100 greatest boxers of all time: 60-51

                  60. Duilio Loi

                  59. Ismael Laguna

                  58. Gennady Golovkin

                  57. Mike McCallum

                  56. Carl Froch

                  55. Alexis Arguello

                  54. Ike Williams

                  53. Tommy Loughran

                  52. Thomas Hearns

                  51. Larry Holmes

                  There are more and more recognisable names on this list for those that aren’t boxing encyclopaedias, with the likes of Carl Froch making his appearance in the ranking, however the biggest name has to be Gennady Golovkin, who lost his trilogy fight with Canelo Alvarez last month in one of the biggest fights of the year.

                  Top 100 greatest boxers of all time: 50-41

                  50. Tyson Fury

                  49. Joe Frazier

                  48. Pete Latzo

                  47. Carlos Ortiz

                  46. **** Tiger

                  45. Lou Ambers

                  44. Felix Trinidad

                  43. Jackie Fields

                  42. Wladimir Klitschko

                  41. Jack Britton

                  Now we start to see some big hitters on the list, with Muhammad Ali’s rival Joe Frazier and one of the biggest heavyweights in the world today, Tyson Fury, with The Gypsy King looking to become the first undisputed heavyweight champion for over 20 years.

                  Top 100 greatest boxers of all time: 40-31

                  40. Oscar De La Hoya

                  39. Harold Johnson

                  38. Mike Gibbons

                  37. Sonny Liston

                  36. Evander Holyfield

                  35. Lloyd Marshall

                  34. Julio Cesar Chavez

                  33. Jake LaMotta

                  32. Emile Griffith

                  31. Gene Fulmer

                  Some of the bigger names in this list include Sonny Liston, and fellow American Evander Holyfield, with the latter renowned for his rivalry with Mike Tyson which saw Iron Mike bite a chunk of his ear off during a bout.

                  Top 100 greatest boxers of all time: 30-21

                  30. Roberto Duran

                  29. Roy Jones Jr

                  28. Rocky Marciano

                  27. Young Corbett III

                  26. Manny Pacquiao

                  25. Joe Calzaghe

                  24. Ezzard Charles

                  23. Saul Canelo Alvarez

                  22. Charley Burley

                  21. Jose Napoles

                  One of the more underrated British fighters of all time in Joe Calzaghe gets some recognition in this list, being ranked 1 place above Manny Pacquiao, the Brit’s perfect 46-0 record definitely goes some way to his ranking in this list, with Saul Canelo Alvarez narrowly above him.

                  Top 100 greatest boxers of all time: 20-11

                  20. Sammy Mandell

                  19. Andre Ward

                  18. Barney Ross

                  17. Bernard Hopkins

                  16. Harry Greb

                  15. Floyd Patterson

                  14. Ray Leonard

                  13. Lennox Lewis

                  12. Tony Canzoneri

                  11. Archie Moore

                  There’s some ridiculous fighting records on this section of the list, with the biggest name arguably Lennox Lewis, The Lion was undisputed heavyweight champion in 2002, with no other man being able to achieve the feat since, showing us the size of his accomplishments when you consider some of the greats who have come after him.

                  Top 100 greatest boxers of all time: 10-1

                  10. Marvelous Marvin Hagler

                  9. Holman Williams

                  8. Joe Louis

                  7. Henry Armstrong

                  6. Benny Leonard

                  5. Jimmy McLarin

                  4. Carlos Monzon

                  3. Muhammad Ali

                  2. Floyd Mayweather

                  1. Sugar Ray Robinson

                  Floyd Mayweather normally is criminally underrated in lists such as this, with a perfect 50-0 record, taking the sport of boxing to obscene heights, he certainly deserves more respect. So to see him ahead of Muhammad Ali is huge for him, however, neither of those greats were worthy of top spot in Boxrec’s opinion, with Sugar Ray Robinson, who recorded a staggering 109 knockouts in 174 victories, being crowned the GOAT of boxing.​
                  I'm at a loss to discern this man's criteria.

                  Both concerning names omitted and names placed significantly above men who proved themselves superior to them.

                  Those names not there include;

                  Joe Gans
                  Jack Johnson
                  Joe Walcott
                  Terry McGovern
                  Jimmy Wilde
                  Abe Attell
                  Jim Driscoll
                  Freddie Welsh
                  Sam Langford
                  Pete Herman


                  If Mr Pearce has a time cut off period that would make these omissions understandable, but I see no mention of one.
                  More recent others not there include;
                  Bob Foster
                  Billy Conn
                  Mike Spinks
                  Ruben Olivares
                  Carlos Zarate
                  Eder Jofre
                  Miguel Canto
                  Ricardo Lopez .
                  Fighting Harada
                  Sandy Saddler
                  Joe Brown

                  Personally I couldn't justify leaving them out but including
                  Kessler
                  Humez
                  Maxim
                  Fields
                  Laguna
                  Crawford
                  Scholz
                  Carroll
                  Indrisano
                  Olson
                  Forest
                  Kalambay
                  V Klitschko
                  Loi
                  Turpin
                  Tszu
                  Benvenuti
                  Locche

                  Any list like this is personally subjective some we will all agree with some we will scratch our heads over

                  Another bone of contention for me is
                  Fullmer at 31 but no Zale or Steele?
                  Marcel Thil was an underated middle weight but does he deserve to be on a list that leaves out
                  Tiger.Zale.Steele?
                  Tiger at 46 yet Fullmer is at 31? What is that based on?

                  Carrol
                  Forest
                  Kessler
                  Indrisano
                  Scholz
                  Humez
                  Benvenuti
                  Turpin
                  Loi
                  Olson
                  Fields
                  Locche
                  Humez
                  Do not belong on any best 100 boxer list .imo
                  For me this is a very poor list,but it's Mr Pearce's list not Box Rec's.

                  Perhaps though it will serve as a talking point and focus our dislike on it rather than each other? lol
                  Perhaps?
                  Last edited by Ivich; 10-15-2022, 06:10 AM.
                  The Old LefHook The Old LefHook likes this.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Willie Pep 229 View Post
                    I like McLarin so I am glad to see him so high on the list - but actually quite surprised. Since he dropped two decisions (won one) with Barney Ross (18th).

                    Same with Holman Williams, making him the highest ranked fighter without a title.

                    In fact who is the next highest ranked fighter without a title? (You guys know this better than me.) I'm guessing Burley at (#22)

                    Are there any more non-title holders in the top 50?

                    Another out side the box thinking is Patterson one step ahead of Greb.
                    - - I wrecken Greb wrecks Floyd with his crazy style.

                    This guy Humez, IBHOF musta been drunk at the wheel not to have fast tracked him.

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