1905 JJ Jeffries vs JJohnson?

[Dr. Z]

Munroe had a total of 9 fights when he challenged Jeffries he is among the most underserving challengers the history of the heavyweight title has ever seen along with John Finnegan and Joe Kennedy two other Jeffries challengers.
Munroe had 17 fights altogether, 6 of them were against debutees .
Munroe got his shot on the basis of supposedly flooring Jeffries in an exhibition.as Jeffries not in top shape prepared to spar with Munroe Fitz who was on the same vaudeville tour with Jeffries said to Jeff put this mug away quickly,Jeffries said I'll let him hang around awhile to give the crowd a show.
Jeffries may have been partly floored , more likely he lost his footing and went down without being hit.

Munroes opportunistic manager hyped the situation out of all proportion until some began to believe Munroe actually had a chance with Jeffries.Munroe was not among them.
It was a one- sided blow out and Jeffries was bitterly dissappointed by the financial reward he received from it ,vowing never to participate in another such farce.

After McVey kod Denver Ed Martin in 1 round
A promoter guaranteed Jeffries a good purse to defend against McVey Jeffries did not respond to the challenge.
The papers speculated that McVey, over 200lbs would be a physical match for Jeffries.

The three consecutive fights that McVey lost were to Johnson 2 and Martin .hardly a disgrace.

And Jeffries blew then out, he wasn't clutching them do death, taking them the distance, and sometimes getting out boxed or hurt in his title fights! Munroe was a real heavyweight 215 pounds, and had a nice knowns record. Box Rec incomplete if that is what you using. FACT Why can't you learn? And don't think I didn't notice you ducked my questions! It's best you don't reply that you think Jack Johnson hits harder than Rid**** Bowe among other things.

There is no evidence Mcvey deserved a fight with his record. He was young at time of the press clipping, likely 20! There is mention to the press but was really any money down and secured? As pointed out he lost his next three fights and took 1905 off. When does this = a title fight? I think that's enough for now.

[Dr. Z]

Jeffries fought an exhibition with Munroe in 1903, the title shot was basically a rematch. Munroe made a good showing of himself, knocking Jeffries down for a 9 count in the 4th and final round of the exhibition. Munroe defeated Tom Sharkey the year he got his title shot with Jeff, while McVey lost 3 consecutive fights going into 1905, in fact he didn't even fight in all of '05. It's not as though Munroe was just some random cherry pick as some are suggesting. For Jeffries there was some unfinished business between them. By the time Munroe fought Johnson he was 20 pounds over his ideal weight and out of shape. Still lasted the full 6 rounds.

He didn't put Jerries down according to the Bute miner where it was. Munore was floored two times and survived the exhibition He lied about the knockdown, no one saw it and used the lie to get a real match with Jeffries, which he was basically out in round one and finished in round two.

[GhostofDempsey]

Munroe had a total of 9 fights when he challenged Jeffries he is among the most underserving challengers the history of the heavyweight title has ever seen along with John Finnegan and Joe Kennedy two other Jeffries challengers.
Munroe had 17 fights altogether, 6 of them were against debutees .
Munroe got his shot on the basis of supposedly flooring Jeffries in an exhibition.as Jeffries not in top shape prepared to spar with Munroe Fitz who was on the same vaudeville tour with Jeffries said to Jeff put this mug away quickly,Jeffries said I'll let him hang around awhile to give the crowd a show.
Jeffries may have been partly floored , more likely he lost his footing and went down without being hit.

Munroes opportunistic manager hyped the situation out of all proportion until some began to believe Munroe actually had a chance with Jeffries.Munroe was not among them.
It was a one- sided blow out and Jeffries was bitterly dissappointed by the financial reward he received from it ,vowing never to participate in another such farce.

After McVey kod Denver Ed Martin in 1 round
A promoter guaranteed Jeffries a good purse to defend against McVey Jeffries did not respond to the challenge.
The papers speculated that McVey, over 200lbs would be a physical match for Jeffries.

The three consecutive fights that McVey lost were to Johnson 2 and Martin .hardly a disgrace.

Munroe fought in over 20 exhibitions in '04 before fighting Jeffries. Some people here would argue those were real fights.

[travestyny]

A personal score to settle with Munroe was next as the guy lied about a sparing session, anyway Mcvey was very green, and very young. Like 19 or 20. He didn't deserve a fight and RETIRED for in 1905, after losing thee fights in a row from early 1903 to late 1904. Taking 1905, the whole year off from the ring. When was this news article by his manager printed? Again how old was he then and what was his record then? Was he worthy of a title shot? No way, he was a kid who lost his last three fights and very young without a lot of fights. It's just noise. END. Got now?

As it was Jeffires flattened Munore in two rounds If a Reno like 1910 purse was offered he woud have fought Hart or Johnson. What fighters and managers say actually do when enough money is up ( I'm not sure if the money was secured for Mcvey. It was just noise ) can change.

Munroe has way more than just 9 fights, and Jeffries was the only man to knock him out.

Nope. He was 19 but he was certainly praised and he hadn't lost to anyone except Jack Johnson at this point in 1903. The other man that Jeffries was ducking. Got it?

[Dr. Z]

Nope. He was 19 but he was certainly praised and he hadn't lost to anyone except Jack Johnson at this point in 1903. The other man that Jeffries was ducking. Got it?

So your talking about a 19 year old who lost his next three fights in a row. And one who had very few fights. Okay got it.

[travestyny]

So your talking about a 19 year old who lost his next three fights in a row. And one who had very few fights. Okay got it.

Irrelevant unless Jeffries could see into the future. No big deal losing to Denver Ed and Jack Johnson whom Jeffries admit he could never beat himself.

Glad you got it now.

[QueensburyRules]

Munroe had a total of 9 fights when he challenged Jeffries he is among the most underserving challengers the history of the heavyweight title has ever seen along with John Finnegan and Joe Kennedy two other Jeffries challengers.
Munroe had 17 fights altogether, 6 of them were against debutees .
Munroe got his shot on the basis of supposedly flooring Jeffries in an exhibition.as Jeffries not in top shape prepared to spar with Munroe Fitz who was on the same vaudeville tour with Jeffries said to Jeff put this mug away quickly,Jeffries said I'll let him hang around awhile to give the crowd a show.
Jeffries may have been partly floored , more likely he lost his footing and went down without being hit.

Munroes opportunistic manager hyped the situation out of all proportion until some began to believe Munroe actually had a chance with Jeffries.Munroe was not among them.
It was a one- sided blow out and Jeffries was bitterly dissappointed by the financial reward he received from it ,vowing never to participate in another such farce.

After McVey kod Denver Ed Martin in 1 round
A promoter guaranteed Jeffries a good purse to defend against McVey Jeffries did not respond to the challenge.
The papers speculated that McVey, over 200lbs would be a physical match for Jeffries.

The three consecutive fights that McVey lost were to Johnson 2 and Martin .hardly a disgrace.

- - 38% of Jeffries fights were against HOFers. I doubt many fighters have a good a record as that.

25% were what is euphemistically known a People of Color that were greater numbers than that population existed in the US then.

Only folks Jeff ducked were usual idjits like U today.

I've offered Blubber Boy a fight, but he don't respond. Used to offer Poppy and l'l floydy fights, but they don't respond. They ducking me, so I can claim all their ill begotten belts.

Easy work if U can get it!

[Dr. Z]

Irrelevant unless Jeffries could see into the future. No big deal losing to Denver Ed and Jack Johnson whom Jeffries admit he could never beat himself.

Glad you got it now.

It might interest you to know that Jeffries has a reported win over Martin to likely when they we starting out. KO 1. Show me in print a story where Jeffries is quoted saying said he could beat Jack Johnson in his prime. Not some guy saying it, its here say. Open challenge. He never said that in print. He clearly started if he was younger he would have won in print with context and detail. He also offered Johnson a private fight, and Johnson wised tucked tail. Educate you, I will.

Still talking about a 19 year old who lost his next three fights in a row. And one who had very few fights being worthy of a title shot?

[Ivich]

Nope. He was 19 but he was certainly praised and he hadn't lost to anyone except Jack Johnson at this point in 1903. The other man that Jeffries was ducking. Got it?

ps Jeffries made the statement about never have being able to beat Johnson to Bohun Lynch the Sunday Times Boxing writer on the train going back to Jeffries home .

[travestyny]

It might interest you to know that Jeffries has a reported win over Martin to likely when they we starting out. KO 1. Show me in print a story where Jeffries is quoted saying said he could beat Jack Johnson in his prime. Not some guy saying it, its here say. Open challenge. He never said that in print. He clearly started if he was younger he would have won in print with context and detail. He also offered Johnson a private fight, and Johnson wised tucked tail. Educate you, I will.

Still talking about a 19 year old who lost his next three fights in a row. And one who had very few fights being worthy of a title shot?

LMAO. It was reported on multiple times. If you don't want to believe it, then just take that asswhoopin he took as exhibit A