Who was the best fighter Vitali Klitschko beat?

[Willie Pep 229]

Cliff Rold said he checked the Ring Magazine issues and Solis wasn't in the rankings.

If anyone is going to insist that Solis was ranked then it's up to them to provide proof. A vaguely worded Wikipedia entry isn't going to cut it.

But on the other hand Z gave us an exact month that he argues C. Rold didn't check. This while Wikipedia supports his assertion.

We either have to have C. Rold confirm he viewed the month of March or have someone else show us The Ring Ranking for March.

By both, the absence of testimony by C. Rold and the inclusion of the Wikipedia article, the empirical evidence stands with Z at this moment.

You guys keep pointing to this guy C. Rold as an appeal to expertise (which I do not question) but Z hasn't challenged that expertise but has only asked for a viewing of March.

Right now only written source, Wikipedia says he was.

BTW The Wikipedia article entitled Vitali Klitschko vs. Odlanier Solís doesn't mention ant Ring rankings but only referrs to Solis as the WBC # 1 contender. So that's odd. I wonder what page Z sent us to?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vita...ier_Sol%C3%ADs

[ShoulderRoll]

But on the other hand Z gave us an exact month that he argues C. Rold didn't check. This while Wikipedia supports his assertion.

We either have to have C. Rold confirm he viewed the month of March or have someone else show us The Ring Ranking for March.

By both, the absence of testimony by C. Rold and the inclusion of the Wikipedia article, the empirical evidence stands with Z at this moment.

You guys keep pointing to this guy C. Rold as an appeal to expertise (which I do not question) but Z hasn't challenged that expertise but has only asked for a viewing of March.

Right now only written source, Wikipedia says he was.

"This guy C. Rold" is managing editor of BoxingScene and a member of the Boxing Writers Association of America.

If he says he checked the back issues of Ring Magazine and Solis wasn't ranked in the top 10 then his word is good.

If "this guy Dr. Z" insists that Cliff is wrong then he needs to prove it. Otherwise he should let it go.

[BattlingNelson]

But on the other hand Z gave us an exact month that he argues C. Rold didn't check. This while Wikipedia supports his assertion.

We either have to have C. Rold confirm he viewed the month of March or have someone else show us The Ring Ranking for March.

By both, the absence of testimony by C. Rold and the inclusion of the Wikipedia article, the empirical evidence stands with Z at this moment.

You guys keep pointing to this guy C. Rold as an appeal to expertise (which I do not question) but Z hasn't challenged that expertise but has only asked for a viewing of March.

Right now only written source, Wikipedia says he was.

BTW The Wikipedia article entitled Vitali Klitschko vs. Odlanier Solís doesn't mention ant Ring rankings but only referrs to Solis as the WBC # 1 contender. So that's odd. I wonder what page Z sent us to?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vita...ier_Sol%C3%ADs

Cliff is a highly respected boxing writer and doesn't need to prove anything on a boxing board. If someone says Cliff is wrong, then that someone most provide the evidence. Come on now.

[Willie Pep 229]

Cliff is a highly respected boxing writer and doesn't need to prove anything on a boxing board. If someone says Cliff is wrong, then that someone most provide the evidence. Come on now.

Damn it Bat - I made it a point of saying0 I DID NOT challenge this man's expertise yet both you and Shoulder Roll still point out this man's credibility. Not ne essay or relevant.

Z said he believed Rold only checked June not March. Why Z insists on this I can not say but I have seen no statement from C. Rold that he checked the issue Z claims.

C. Rold's expertise is not in question.

[BattlingNelson]

But on the other hand Z gave us an exact month that he argues C. Rold didn't check. This while Wikipedia supports his assertion.

We either have to have C. Rold confirm he viewed the month of March or have someone else show us The Ring Ranking for March.

By both, the absence of testimony by C. Rold and the inclusion of the Wikipedia article, the empirical evidence stands with Z at this moment.

You guys keep pointing to this guy C. Rold as an appeal to expertise (which I do not question) but Z hasn't challenged that expertise but has only asked for a viewing of March.

Right now only written source, Wikipedia says he was.

BTW The Wikipedia article entitled Vitali Klitschko vs. Odlanier Solís doesn't mention ant Ring rankings but only referrs to Solis as the WBC # 1 contender. So that's odd. I wonder what page Z sent us to?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vita...ier_Sol%C3%ADs

Cliff already confirmed and posted the march rankings (and more) btw:

Yes, you could all be wrong strictly based on what was in the print issues. I can't figure out how to get the pictures to upload so I'll type it out:

April cover date, Rankings for period ended Jan 23, 2011, page 18:

Champ: Wlad
1. Vitali (record listed at 41-2, 38 KO)
2. Haye
3. Povetkin
4. Adamek
5. Chagaev
6. Chambers
7. Boytsov
8. Valuev
9. Dimitrenko
10. Arreola

May Cover Date, rankings as of Feb 20, 2011, page 18:

Champ: Wlad
1. Vitali (record listed at 41-2, 38 KO)
2. Haye
3. Povetkin
4. Adamek
5. Chagaev
6. Chambers
7. Boytsov
8. Valuev
9. Dimitrenko
10. Arreola

June Cover Date, rankings as of March 20, 2011, page 18:

Champ: Wlad
1. Vitali (record listed updated to 42-2, 39 KO)
2. Haye
3. Povetkin
4. Adamek
5. Chagaev
6. Chambers
7. Boytsov
8. Dimitrenko
9. Arreola
10. Pulev

Page 17, ratings analysis notes Valuev exited due to inactivity. If Solis moved in online for that, it is conceivable he was 10 for a minute between issues strictly online but there is no evidence of it in the magazine and no mention of Solis entering and exiting. The closest date I could find in wayback was 2/26: https://web.archive.org/web/20110221...49-heavyweight

No Solis.

if there was a brief change prior to the fight, it wasn’t recorded by then. That wouldn't be an error in my work because the work was based solely on print issues. The fight result is on page 98.

Does that suffice?

[BattlingNelson]

Damn it Bat - I made it a point of saying0 I DID NOT challenge this man's expertise yet both you and Shoulder Roll still point out this man's credibility. Not ne essay or relevant.

Z said he believed Rold only checked June not March. Why Z insists on this I can not say but I have seen no statement from C. Rold that he checked the issue Z claims.

C. Rold's expertise is not in question.

You asked Cliff to confirm something he already said! How's that not challenging his expertise?

[Dr. Z]

That someone is you! It's your claim. You must provide the evidence to back it up or stop this.

Really? Why won't you take my word?

If you said is not true that the burden of proof is on you. I provided what I saw and backed it up with link. That is how to works. What do you have that says otherwise?

Did you see Solis was not ranked by ring magazine in the month of March 2011 before that OR you do not remember it? That is a key question. I'm asking you Which is it? What your answer to this?

Look we all make mistakes but it's okay to say I missed it or don't remember.

Again I know who Cliff form my days at the Cyber Boxing Zone and after that he wrote for Pedro Hernandez. I did not have an issue with him nor do I now.

I sent you a PM on the topic.

[Willie Pep 229]

You asked Cliff to confirm something he already said! How's that not challenging his expertise?

Because Z said the March cover issue.

Although I didn't read the above post before . . . and obviously C. Rold made a serious effort . . . but still no March issue.

I suspose Z will just have to produce the March issue or back off.

Also the whole damn thing is cloudy because The Ring Magazine Rankings (print) seems to be two months behind.

• May Cover Date, rankings as of Feb 20, 2011, page 18:

• June Cover Date, rankings as of March 20, 2011, page 18:

Can we assume that the April edition would go back to Janurary 20 2011

And the March edition would then be ranking as of December 20th 2010?

Also why does one Wikipedia page say Ring 10th and another Wikipedia page say WBC # 1

I would add that it is kind of sad that the WBC # 1 ranked HW isn't in The Ring's top ten, but then agsin that is a common history of the WBC. So I wouldn't want to make that a point to argue.

[BattlingNelson]

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