Who was the best fighter Vitali Klitschko beat?

[BattlingNelson]

Wiki is a useful source but also full of misinformation here's an example.
"Jim Jeffries was 6 feet one and a half."He wasn't he was measured at an even six feet in a doctor's surgery.
"Jeffries broke the ribs of three opponents in title fights: Jim Corbett, Gus Ruhlin and Tom Sharkey. " Jeffries did not break any of Corbett or Ruhlin's ribs.

That's two mistakes in one little piece!


Here's another regarding Jack Dempsey.
After the United States entered World War I in 1917, Dempsey worked in a shipyard and continued to box.
Dempsey had his photo taken in a bib and brace overall holding a rivet gun ,but he never worked in a ship yard,nor did any riveting, he had patent leather shoes on that day and when that was spotted Dempsey got the Bronx Cheer!

Indeed. Everybody can go in and change a wiki page. There's no editor-in-chief.

[Willie Pep 229]

Averaged, as I understand it in this regard, is the average of the measured number of viewers at certain points of the broadcast. Just as when you have a football game. There's a certain number to the first half and a certain number for the second. The average is then the total combined number of viewers divided by 2.

OK that interesting thanks. I wonder if they do it at the beginning and end of a fight to see how much of the audience stays to the end.

[Dr. Z]

I read the Wiki article - it is vague as to where he was ranked but if the gramer is correct then he was either ranked #10 by The Ring or the writer can't write.

Vitali Klitschko entered as The Ring Magazine No. 1 heavyweight contender and Solis was the No. 10 contender.

Someone want to explain to me how "viewers" can be "averaged" ?

The fight averaged 10.98 million viewers in Germany.

Isn't "viewer" a lot like being pregnant, either you viewed it or you didn't. What the hell does "averaged" mean?

I have never encountered a TV rating that included the word "averaged" unless it included multiple presentations (I guess).

It reads Solis like Wlad and his brother was ranked by ring magazine!

Waiting for someone to post the ring magazine issues ratings the month before and month of as it will confirm what I saw with my owns eyes that Solis was ranked. And being a fan who closely followed Vitali's career is wise not to bet side against me. Again Cliff said he checked in the June issue, I 100% believe he did but the fight was in March and Soils fell out of the ratings due to the loss by then. It was there, before the June issue. I saw it and would testy as such in a court of law. Does he have the pervious issues to post? Can anyone confirm Soils was raked by ring magazine as I said he was before the Klitschko fight? This was confirmed on another forum! Do I need to find that and post it here?

[ShoulderRoll]

It reads Solis like Wlad and his brother was ranked by ring magazine!

Waiting for someone to post the ring magazine issues ratings the month before and month of as it will confirm what I saw with my owns eyes that Solis was ranked and being a fan who closely followed Vitali's career is wise not to bet side against me. Again Cliff said he checked in the June issue, I 100% believe he did but the fight was in March and Soils fell out of the ratings due to the loss by then. It was there, before the June issue. I saw it and would testy as such in a cost of law. Does he have the pervious issues to post? Can anyone confirm Soils was raked by ring magazine as I said he was before the Klitschko fight? This was confined on another forum! Do I need to find that and post it here?

I think we're all waiting for you to post those Ring magazines to prove your assertion.

Otherwise it is false if there is no evidence for it.

[Willie Pep 229]

I think we're all waiting for you to post those Ring magazines to prove your assertion.

Otherwise it is false if there is no evidence for it.

The Wikipedia page states Solis as the # 10 contender, implying it was The Ring Magazine.

Despite all of Wikipedia's problems the statement has not been edited out so I think it is only fair that Z no longer needs to prove his statement but others need to disprove it.

He has stated a direct source, Ring Rankings, March, so I don't think he is being unreasonable.

No doubt one can not prove a negative so Z is pretty much bound to the months of March and April, as we know Solis isn't ranked in June.

So Z can't be moving the goal posts on us by changing months, but he deserves (considering the Wikipedia article's support for his conjecture) the benefit of the doubt until he is proven wrong.

I think the burden of proof has been switched to Z's distractors. Wikipedia as of now says what Z says. Time to prove them both wrong not just say they're wrong.

[BattlingNelson]

It reads Solis like Wlad and his brother was ranked by ring magazine!

Waiting for someone to post the ring magazine issues ratings the month before and month of as it will confirm what I saw with my owns eyes that Solis was ranked and being a fan who closely followed Vitali's career is wise not to bet side against me. Again Cliff said he checked in the June issue, I 100% believe he did but the fight was in March and Soils fell out of the ratings due to the loss by then. It was there, before the June issue. I saw it and would testy as such in a cost of law. Does he have the pervious issues to post? Can anyone confirm Soils was raked by ring magazine as I said he was before the Klitschko fight? This was confined on another forum! Do I need to find that and post it here?

That someone is you! It's your claim. You must provide the evidence to back it up or stop this.

[QueensburyRules]

I read the Wiki article - it is vague as to where he was ranked but if the gramer is correct then he was either ranked #10 by The Ring or the writer can't write.

Vitali Klitschko entered as The Ring Magazine No. 1 heavyweight contender and Solis was the No. 10 contender.

Someone want to explain to me how "viewers" can be "averaged" ?

The fight averaged 10.98 million viewers in Germany.

Isn't "viewer" a lot like being pregnant, either you viewed it or you didn't. What the hell does "averaged" mean?

I have never encountered a TV rating that included the word "averaged" unless it included multiple presentations (I guess).

- - The way I understand it, certain broadcasting platforms know when their viewers are logged in, and then out. So they average the numbers in and out during the broadcast for your figure.

What always got me was how free TV, ie ABC, Nbc, Cbs, and public radio could know how many tuned in. The way I understand it they paid a representative population viewers to attach a device that tells them when they're viewing, + a Neilson view poll of sorts, a sorta hybrid of science and alchemy.

[Willie Pep 229]

- - The way I understand it, certain broadcasting platforms know when their viewers are logged in, and then out. So they average the numbers in and out during the broadcast for your figure.

What always got me was how free TV, ie ABC, Nbc, Cbs, and public radio could know how many tuned in. The way I understand it they paid a representative population viewers to attach a device that tells them when they're viewing, + a Neilson view poll of sorts, a sorta hybrid of science and alchemy.

Yes I suspect you and Bat are correct. Where I flubbed was in believing it was a PPV fight. If it wasn't so then what you guys say makes perfect sense.

I was thinking they were counting PPV buys. ****** me.

[ShoulderRoll]

The Wikipedia page states Solis as the # 10 contender, implying it was The Ring Magazine.

Despite all of Wikipedia's problems the statement has not been edited out so I think it is only fair that Z no longer needs to prove his statement but others need to disprove it.

He has stated a direct source, Ring Rankings, March, so I don't think he is being unreasonable.

No doubt one can not prove a negative so Z is pretty much bound to the months of March and April, as we know Solis isn't ranked in June.

So Z can't be moving the goal posts on us by changing months, but he deserves (considering the Wikipedia article's support for his conjecture) the benefit of the doubt until he is proven wrong.

I think the burden of proof has been switched to Z's distractors. Wikipedia as of now says what Z says. Time to prove them both wrong not just say they're wrong.

Cliff Rold said he checked the Ring Magazine issues and Solis wasn't in the rankings.

If anyone is going to insist that Solis was ranked then it's up to them to provide proof. A vaguely worded Wikipedia entry isn't going to cut it.

[QueensburyRules]

Cliff Rold said he checked the Ring Magazine issues and Solis wasn't in the rankings.

If anyone is going to insist that Solis was ranked then it's up to them to provide proof. A vaguely worded Wikipedia entry isn't going to cut it.

- - Don't matter since I started a comparison to Vit defenses to Ali defenses looking mostly like weak sisters conscripted into boxing in comparison to Vit.