If Dempsey Had Fought Wills?

[Dr. Z]

Smith was 30 years old when Dempsey first fought him,and he had beaten Moran a month earlier.
Brennan?Dempsey was the first man to drop Brennan and the 1 st to stop him

1918-02-25	188½	196		Bill Brennan	39 6 4		Auditorium, Milwaukee	W-TKO	6/10		event bout score wiki
"Just one man, Fred Fulton, stands today between Jack Dempsey, the shiftiest two-fisted fighter since Bob Fitzsimmons, and Jess Willard, the heavyweight champion of the world. When Dempsey fights as he fought against Bill Brennan here last night, no lesser man can stand against him. Dempsey knocked Brennan out in the sixth round, and it was a masterly piece of work. Very few fighters have taken a better licking or taken their licking better than Brennan did last night. In sixty-seven fights Brennan had not been knocked off his feet, and his record includes about forty knockouts. Dempsey had him down four times in the second round and twice in the sixth. That ought to be answer enough to the question, can Dempsey hit? Just once did Brennan's robust wallop net Dempsey for a punch that stung. Dempsey took that punch and came back fighting like a tiger. Brennan's vaunted defense crumpled like paper before Dempsey's attack and his deadly left hand could not find its mark. Dempsey punished the big Chicagoan in every round . Dempsey fought and beat Miske twice in1918 BEFORE Miske got sick.Miske scaled182 &187 lbs for those fights. Jack Dempsey won the popular decision from Billy Miske of St. Paul in a slow six-round bout here today at a Thanksgiving Day matinee. Only half a dozen hard blows were landed during the fight. There was scarcely any action in the first two rounds, but in the third Miske halted Dempsey with an uppercut to the jaw which gave him the advantage in this round. After this the bout was all in Dempsey's favor, the St. Paul man frequently holding in order to save himself from punishment." (Indianapolis Star) Morris fought Dempsey 3 times her eis the account of their 2nd fight ,in1917 Jack Dempsey 198 lbs beat Carl Morris 226 lbs by DQ in round 6 of 10 Date: 1918-02-04 Location: Broadway Auditorium, Buffalo, New York, USA Referee: **** Nugent The Spokane Daily Chronicle reported: "Morris was disqualified after six rounds of fighting, the referee making his decision after Morris had been warned several times for hitting low. Dempsey had all the better of the bout with Morris and was in line for a knockout when the bout was stopped. Dempsey punished Morris and had his opponent groggy when the referee stepped between the fighters." Morris at 226lbs outweighed Dempsey by28lbs. That year [1917]Morris beat Fulton and Moran. The previous year he had beaten,Levinsky,Ross,Smith.and Pelkey Levinsky lost to Dempsey in1918,Dempsey becoming the first man to stop him Levinsky had beaten; Weinert Coffey Madden And drawn with Brennan earlier that year. Dempsey, at185lbs had 10 lbs on Levinsky. Rather different to the huge weight advantages Jeffries enjoyed that I listed and you understandably do not wish to discuss! Carpentier? He had won the white heavyweight title by beating Smith flooring him along the way.

Smith was well past his best and lost a lot around that time! He had only win 3 of his last 10!



Morris as I said was nothing special. One of the fights appears to be a fix!

Dempsey landed only one blow, a left hook to the solar plexus. Carl went to the canvas writhing and stayed there until the very long count was completed. He had insisted on full payment before the fight. Everyone thought that he had "flopped" and cries of "Fake!, " "Police!, " and "Jail the big tramp, " and the like, were heard. (From the New Orleans Times-Picayune

Another one was a 4 round decision. The third a DQ wn. Morris final record was 52-15 with 5 KO loss and 2 draws.

Dempsey drew twice with Al Norton who has a known record of 11-11-7 being KO'd 5 times.

Miske was a good contender,

Just the facts.

[Ivich]

Smith was well past his best and lost a lot around that time! He had only win 3 of his last 10!



Morris as I said was nothing special. One of the fights appears to be a fix!




Another one was a 4 round decision. The third a DQ wn. Morris final record was 52-15 with 5 KO loss and 2 draws.

Dempsey drew twice with Al Norton who has a known record of 11-11-7 being KO'd 5 times.

Miske was a good contender,

Just the facts.

How many wins did Finnegan and Munroe have when they challenged Jeffries? Were Fitz at 39 and 2 years retired and Corbett 36,3 years retired with one win in the last 7 years in their primes when Jeffries defended against them?

Munroe's final record 9-3-2!

Finnigan's final record 5-3-5!

You wouldn't recognize a fact if it jumped up and smacked you in your silly, ignorant face!

Total Hypocrisy!

[Dr. Z]

How many wins did Finnegan and Munroe have when they challenged Jeffries? Were Fitz at 39 and 2 years retired and Corbett 36,3 years retired with one win in the last 7 years in their primes when Jeffries defended against them?

Munroe's final record 9-3-2!

Finnigan's final record 5-3-5!

You wouldn't recognize a fact if it jumped up and smacked you in your silly, ignorant face!

Total Hypocrisy!

But they are not among Jeffries top wins and the two men ( who have in-complete records ) lasted a combined three rounds. One of Munroe losses was a Technical decision over 4 round where put his man down 10 times!

Montana Jack Sullivan	debut		Margaret Theatre, Anaconda	L-TD	4/4
Sullivan awarded $100 for staying the four rounds. Munroe failed to knock Sullivan out as agreed but put him down ten times during the four rounds when Sullivan wasn't falling down or running away. Prior to the start of the fight Sullivan was given the choice of an 18-foot ring and hitting in the clinches or a 24 footer and no hitting in the clinches. He chose the latter.

I can see why you like Munroe he lies as you do! That's why he got a title shot and he record was decent. I accept facts, you don't! We are talking about Dempsey here.

[Ivich]

But they are not among Jeffries top wins and the two men ( who have in-complete records ) lasted a combined three rounds. One of Munroe losses was a Technical decision over 4 round where put his man down 10 times!

Montana Jack Sullivan	debut		Margaret Theatre, Anaconda	L-TD	4/4
Sullivan awarded $100 for staying the four rounds. Munroe failed to knock Sullivan out as agreed but put him down ten times during the four rounds when Sullivan wasn't falling down or running away. Prior to the start of the fight Sullivan was given the choice of an 18-foot ring and hitting in the clinches or a 24 footer and no hitting in the clinches. He chose the latter.

I can see why you like Munroe he lies as you do! That's why he got a title shot and he record was decent. I accept facts, you don't! We are talking about Dempsey here.

Among Jeffries top wins are
39 years old ,2 years retired 172lbs Fitzsimmons.
36 years old 3 years retired, 27lbs lighter, had won 1 fight in 7 years Corbett.

Sullivan was a light heavyweight and a debutee! lol

Among Norton' s 11 losses were;
Dillon x3
Dempsey
Flynn
Morris

Thats 6 of them against class men.
Finnigan ,and Munroe lost to nobodies.


HYPOCRISY!


BELLIGERENT ASS ! I love it!

[Dr. Z]

Among Jeffries top wins are
39 years old ,2 years retired 172lbs Fitzsimmons.
36 years old 3 years retired, 27lbs lighter, had won 1 fight in 7 years Corbett.

Sullivan was a light heavyweight and a debutee! lol

Among Norton' s 11 losses were;
Dillon x3
Dempsey
Flynn
Morris

Thats 6 of them against class men.
Finnigan ,and Munroe lost to nobodies.


HYPOCRISY!


BELLIGERENT ASS ! I love it!

Munroe beat Sharkey and Maher before knocked out most of his opponents and lost once to a guys who beat Jack Johnson ( I don't count the bet where he floored his opponents 10 times in four rounds as a loss )

If there were ring ranking back then, Munore would have been in them. Fitz was deadly regardless of his age.

We were talking about Dempsey here who did not fight Wills or Greb, and many of his best wins were from visible fouls on film, old men 37+ years old who had not fought in 3 years, being floored in the process, and from sub 175 pound men. Unimpressive. Stick to the subject.

[Dr. Z]

Smith was well past his best and lost a lot around that time! He had only win 3 of his last 10!



Morris as I said was nothing special. One of the fights appears to be a fix!




Another one was a 4 round decision. The third a DQ wn. Morris final record was 52-15 with 5 KO loss and 2 draws.

Dempsey drew twice with Al Norton who has a known record of 11-11-7 being KO'd 5 times.

Miske was a good contender,

Just the facts.

Again, did you really the summary and status of the " significant " opponents?

[Ivich]

Munroe beat Sharkey and Maher before knocked out most of his opponents and lost once to a guys who beat Jack Johnson ( I don't count the bet where he floored his opponents 10 times in four rounds as a loss )

If there were ring ranking back then, Munore would have been in them. Fitz was deadly regardless of his age.

We were talking about Dempsey here who did not fight Wills or Greb, and many of his best wins were from visible fouls on film, old men 37+ years old who had not fought in 3 years, being floored in the process, and from sub 175 pound men. Unimpressive. Stick to the subject.

Sharkey and Maher were washed up and both floored Munroe. Not Munore.lol

Sharkey hadn't won a fight for over 3 years!
Maher had won just 1 of his last 6, a dsq over the pathetic Joe Grim and had been ko'd in 3 of those 5 losses.
Fitz had not fought for 2 years and was 39years old with chronically bad hands,which went on him in their 2nd fight.
Corbett was 36 had been retired for 3 years!And had won just 1 fight in the last 7 years,and that may have been a fake!

DOUBLE STANDARDS!

[Dr. Z]

Sharkey and Maher were washed up and both floored Munroe.not Munore Sharkey hadn't won a fight for over 3 years!

As did Willard. He had not won a fight in over 3 years and was 37. Yet he is the man that Dempsey took the title from! You can't even focus on the topic As stated


Smith was well past his best and lost a lot around that time! He had only win 3 of his last 10!
Morris as I said was nothing special. One of the fights appears to be a fix!

Dempsey drew twice with Al Norton who has a known record of 11-11-7 being KO'd 5 times.

At least Munroe has good recored in his listed fights. He would have been a good opponent for Dempsey. Far better than these three at the time Dempsey fought them!

[travestyny]

Dempsey was forced to fight an elimination bout with Sharkey to get a rematch. Why is Wills so damn special that he was excused from fighting an elimination bout with Tunney?

Please don't tell me Wills was ranked #1. Dempsey was champion and still had to fight an elimination fight.

Looking at the records it doesn't appear any fighter was made to fight an eliminator for all of Dempseys defenses. So the question begs, Why Wills after being the number one contender for years?????

Wasn't the 1922 Wills vs. Kid Norfolk fight an eliminator for Dempsey? Wills won that one obviously and it obviously wasn't honored.

[Ivich]

Wasn't the 1922 Wills vs. Kid Norfolk fight an eliminator for Dempsey? Wills won that one obviously and it obviously wasn't honored.

It was for the "Colored Heavyweight championship"held by Wills.Never heard it referred to ans an eliminator for a title shot at Dempsey.Norfolk ,with one exception, had been fighting middles and light heavies in his recent fights.I dont see how he would have qualified really.Wills certainly did!