If Dempsey Had Fought Wills?

[Willie Pep 229]

Educate yourself.

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• Miske fought this bout while suffering from Bright's Disease, which is an inflammation of the structures in the kidney that produce urine. To quote from the biography Billy Miske: The St. Paul Thunderbolt: "A number of years later, in his autobiography, Dempsey would comment, 'During the fight, I began to feel that Billy wasn't giving me as tough a battle as I had expected. He did not seem like his old self.'"
• In a 1926 newspaper article, Jim Corbett discussed the 1920 Dempsey-Miske bout. T quote from the article: "Before Billy Miske was taken sick—back in the days when Billy really was good—he was a fast, clever man. And he went the distance twice with Dempsey. When Bill had slipped and had lost his speed, Dempsey fought him the third time—and knocked him out. But Jack wasn't fighting a fast, clever man that day."

Miske only won one of his last five fights leading up to Dempsey.

Dempsey beat a sick men, on a long streak suffering from Bright's disease which obvisouly was affecting him. No charge.


If you watched the link Miske did not train for the fight, was suffering for Bright's disease, and testimonials form the fight say Billy did not seem well and lost his speed. Dempsey only produced the ko in third fight.

Now you have the facts, but we know you won't use them! You are full of double standards. I admit Jeffries beat and in shape and older Jackson who account to the press looked good prepping for the fight and had a livelily first round! He showed no sign of being sick here, it was his punch resistance which if you read about Jackson was not great.

You forgot to mention Dempsey beat a not sick Miske twice; Billy Miske is in the HOF and was a great fighter, but forgotten.

[Ivich]

You forgot to mention Dempsey beat a not sick Miske twice; Billy Miske is in the HOF and was a great fighter, but forgotten.

I've ordered the Miske book by Clay Moyle.

[Ivich]

Educate yourself.

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And

• Miske fought this bout while suffering from Bright's Disease, which is an inflammation of the structures in the kidney that produce urine. To quote from the biography Billy Miske: The St. Paul Thunderbolt: "A number of years later, in his autobiography, Dempsey would comment, 'During the fight, I began to feel that Billy wasn't giving me as tough a battle as I had expected. He did not seem like his old self.'"
• In a 1926 newspaper article, Jim Corbett discussed the 1920 Dempsey-Miske bout. T quote from the article: "Before Billy Miske was taken sick—back in the days when Billy really was good—he was a fast, clever man. And he went the distance twice with Dempsey. When Bill had slipped and had lost his speed, Dempsey fought him the third time—and knocked him out. But Jack wasn't fighting a fast, clever man that day."

Miske only won one of his last five fights leading up to Dempsey.

Dempsey beat a sick men, on a long streak suffering from Bright's disease which obvisouly was affecting him. No charge.


If you watched the link Miske did not train for the fight, was suffering for Bright's disease, and testimonials form the fight say Billy did not seem well and lost his speed. Dempsey only produced the ko in third fight.

Now you have the facts, but we know you won't use them! You are full of double standards. I admit Jeffries beat and in shape and older Jackson who account to the press looked good prepping for the fight and had a livelily first round! He showed no sign of being sick here, it was his punch resistance which if you read about Jackson was not great.

Miske only won 1 of his last 5 fights before his 3rd fight with Dempsey that is correct.
What you neglected to mention is that 2 of those fights were not losses but draws, with Brennan and Gibbons,and the 2 losses were to top notchers Levinsky and Norfolk.
What you also failed to address was that after their 3 rd fight Miske had a further 25 fights losing only 1 of them, to Gibbons,whom he also beat ,as well as guys like Fulton,Brennan x2,Renault,Weinert all top men!

Selective reporting lol!

[Dr. Z]

Miske only won 1 of his last 5 fights before his 3rd fight with Dempsey that is correct.
What you neglected to mention is that 2 of those fights were not losses but draws, with Brennan and Gibbons,and the 2 losses were to top notchers Levinsky and Norfolk.
What you also failed to address was that after their 3 rd fight Miske had a further 25 fights losing only 1 of them, to Gibbons,whom he also beat ,as well as guys like Fulton,Brennan x2,Renault,Weinert all top men!

Selective reporting lol!

Yes. Dempsey beat Mike in a 6 round dull fight and a 10 rounder. I have already said this is a good win. Miske also fought Greb, Norfolk and Dillion all three would have really added something to Dempsey legacy. But as we know Dempsey avoided then / did not fight them! We know he ducked Greb, Norfolk was black, and Dillion for whatever reason Dempsey did not fight, but if he did would be one of Dempsey 10 best opponents.

He didn't fight Renault or Weinert either all " top men . Hmm... As you know he also ducked Wills who was the #1 contender for years!

We have already been over that Dempsey struggled and beat Brennan.

It time you look at the man for who Jack Dempsey was, who he lost to, drew with, and struggled to defeat. He has clean wins over Fulton and Gibbons. They are his best wins IMO.

[Ivich]

Yes. Dempsey beat Mike in a 6 round dull fight and a 10 rounder. I have already said this is a good win. Miske also fought Greb, Norfolk and Dillion all three would have really added something to Dempsey legacy. But as we know Dempsey avoided then / did not fight them! We know he ducked Greb, Norfolk was black, and Dillion for whatever reason Dempsey did not fight, but if he did would be one of Dempsey 10 best opponents.

He didn't fight Renault or Weinert either all " top men . Hmm... As you know he also ducked Wills who was the #1 contender for years!

We have already been over that Dempsey struggled and beat Brennan.

It time you look at the man for who Jack Dempsey was, who he lost to, drew with, and struggled to defeat. He has clean wins over Fulton and Gibbons. They are his best wins IMO.

Dempsey didn't struggle to beat Brennan in this fight! lol
"Just one man, Fred Fulton, stands today between Jack Dempsey, the shiftiest two-fisted fighter since Bob Fitzsimmons, and Jess Willard, the heavyweight champion of the world. When Dempsey fights as he fought against Bill Brennan here last night, no lesser man can stand against him. Dempsey knocked Brennan out in the sixth round, and it was a masterly piece of work. Very few fighters have taken a better licking or taken their licking better than Brennan did last night. In sixty-seven fights Brennan had not been knocked off his feet, and his record includes about forty knockouts. Dempsey had him down four times in the second round and twice in the sixth. That ought to be answer enough to the question, can Dempsey hit? Just once did Brennan's robust wallop net Dempsey for a punch that stung. Dempsey took that punch and came back fighting like a tiger. Brennan's vaunted defense crumpled like paper before Dempsey's attack and his deadly left hand could not find its mark. Dempsey punished the big Chicagoan in every round but one." (Warren Evening Times)

No Dempsey didn't fight either Renault or Weinert.

Instead he fought the man who beat them both Miske, and he fought him 3 times!

DILLON not DILLION. Lost to Miske 4 times and to Levinsky twice,both men whom Dempsey beat .

Dillon was a natural light heavyweight if Dempsey had fought and stopped him and done the same to middleweight Greb and Light heavy Norfolk, you would be saying he was only175lbs,wouldn't you Mr Hypocrite! lol

[Willie Pep 229]

Yes. Dempsey beat Mike in a 6 round dull fight and a 10 rounder. I have already said this is a good win. Miske also fought Greb, Norfolk and Dillion all three would have really added something to Dempsey legacy. But as we know Dempsey avoided then / did not fight them! We know he ducked Greb, Norfolk was black, and Dillion for whatever reason Dempsey did not fight, but if he did would be one of Dempsey 10 best opponents.

He didn't fight Renault or Weinert either all " top men . Hmm... As you know he also ducked Wills who was the #1 contender for years!

We have already been over that Dempsey struggled and beat Brennan.

It time you look at the man for who Jack Dempsey was, who he lost to, drew with, and struggled to defeat. He has clean wins over Fulton and Gibbons. They are his best wins IMO.

What do you know about the Greb fight?

[Ivich]

Yes. Dempsey beat Mike in a 6 round dull fight and a 10 rounder. I have already said this is a good win. Miske also fought Greb, Norfolk and Dillion all three would have really added something to Dempsey legacy. But as we know Dempsey avoided then / did not fight them! We know he ducked Greb, Norfolk was black, and Dillion for whatever reason Dempsey did not fight, but if he did would be one of Dempsey 10 best opponents.

He didn't fight Renault or Weinert either all " top men . Hmm... As you know he also ducked Wills who was the #1 contender for years!

We have already been over that Dempsey struggled and beat Brennan.

It time you look at the man for who Jack Dempsey was, who he lost to, drew with, and struggled to defeat. He has clean wins over Fulton and Gibbons. They are his best wins IMO.

Dempsey struggled to beat Brennan in their title fight? Did he?
Here is a ringside report of the fight .
Quebec Telegraph - Google News Archive Search
Of the eleven completed rounds the paper gave Brennan only two rounds,the second and the ninth,with Dempsey taking the other nine rounds,before koing Brennan in the twelth round,and only by a shade.


Some struggling! Anyone with half a brain would be embarrassed to be exposed as many times as you are on this forum,but you don't fit into that category do you! lol

[Ivich]

What do you know about the Greb fight?

As much as he does about any other fight i e FA!

[Dr. Z]

Dempsey struggled to beat Brennan in their title fight? Did he?
Here is a ringside report of the fight .
Quebec Telegraph - Google News Archive Search
Of the eleven completed rounds the paper gave Brennan only two rounds,the second and the ninth,with Dempsey taking the other nine rounds,before koing Brennan in the twelth round,and only by a shade.


Some struggling! Anyone with half a brain would be embarrassed to be exposed as many times as you are on this forum,but you don't fit into that category do you! lol

You ignorant man, Dempsey had a rough time in this fight as stated. Box rec reports

• Some claimed that Dempsey knocked out Brennan with a rabbit punch. Hmm... another controversial fight be Dempsey?
• The July 1964 issue of Boxing Illustrated had an article about the Dempsey-Brennan fight titled "Dempsey's Toughest Fight: It wasn't with Firpo—it was with Bill Brennan."

Appearing to be in better condition than he was in their first meeting, for the first nine rounds of the Dempsey title fight on December 14, 1920, in boxing's greatest venue, Madison Square Garden, Brennan held his own against the Champion. He even stunned Dempsey with a right uppercut to the jaw in the second round. Finally in the twelfth round, however, Brennan was doubled over by a right hook below the heart, and then floored by a subsequent left hook to his right side. Dempsey was never one to miss an opportunity to finish an opponent, and the left hook that put Brennan down for the count was the best punch in his arsenal. The St. Louis Post-Dispatch wrote that Dempsey "was forced to his utmost to hold off a courageous, determined fighter who gave almost as good as he received." Dempsey's most noticeable injuries were a split left ear and a lighter blow to the mouth which both bled at times during the bout. Famed sportswriter Grantland Rice wrote that Dempsey's ear looked like "a cross between a veal cutlet and a bloodly sponge", as Brennan had targeted it in the fight. The challenger received around $35,0000 for the bout, though Dempsey took home substantially more.More fans would have attended the bout had they known the fight would last twelve rounds, and that Brennan would hold off Dempsey as long as he did. The New York Times reminded their audience the bout was "one of the most vicious and closely-contested fights in history." and it occurred before a sellout crowd of nearly 17,000

Now that sounds like a tough match, and Dempsey himself said it was his toughest fight.

Why don't you try to watch the film sometime before commenting like an @ss?

[Ivich]

You ignorant man, Dempsey had a had time in this fight as stated. Box rec reports

• Some claimed that Dempsey knocked out Brennan with a rabbit punch. Hmm... another controversial fight be Dempsey?
• The July 1964 issue of Boxing Illustrated had an article about the Dempsey-Brennan fight titled "Dempsey's Toughest Fight: It wasn't with Firpo—it was with Bill Brennan."

Appearing to be in better condition than he was in their first meeting, for the first nine rounds of the Dempsey title fight on December 14, 1920, in boxing's greatest venue, Madison Square Garden, Brennan held his own against the Champion. He even stunned Dempsey with a right uppercut to the jaw in the second round. Finally in the twelfth round, however, Brennan was doubled over by a right hook below the heart, and then floored by a subsequent left hook to his right side. Dempsey was never one to miss an opportunity to finish an opponent, and the left hook that put Brennan down for the count was the best punch in his arsenal. The St. Louis Post-Dispatch wrote that Dempsey "was forced to his utmost to hold off a courageous, determined fighter who gave almost as good as he received." Dempsey's most noticeable injuries were a split left ear and a lighter blow to the mouth which both bled at times during the bout. Famed sportswriter Grantland Rice wrote that Dempsey's ear looked like "a cross between a veal cutlet and a bloodly sponge", as Brennan had targeted it in the fight. The challenger received around $35,0000 for the bout, though Dempsey took home substantially more.More fans would have attended the bout had they known the fight would last twelve rounds, and that Brennan would hold off Dempsey as long as he did. The New York Times reminded their audience the bout was "one of the most vicious and closely-contested fights in history." and it occurred before a sellout crowd of nearly 17,000

Now that sounds like a tough macth, and Dempsey himself said it was his toughest fight .

Why don't you try to watch the film sometimes?

Dempsey won 9 of the 11 completed rounds!
FYI I bought highlights of this fight in a Dempsey collection in1969 On Super 8mm.
So I've owned what is available of the fight for 54 years!
You haven't seen the complete fight ,that I know for a fact, so don't try pretending otherwise!

• The Canadian Press Service reported: "The champion proved to be Brennan's master in nearly every stage of the bout."

Brennan got credit for lasting as long as he did , but winning only 2 rounds out of nearly12 isn't a close fight!
There is an ass commenting here a "belligerent ass". Cliff pegged you right didn't he!
"Dempsey had a had time," " it was a tough macth" And you've got the nerve to call me ignorant?
You illiterate Chimp!