Michael Moorer dominates 6 ft 10 275 lb Mike White

[QueensburyRules]

No, that is you making things up........AKA lying again. Fact is, he never fought professionally at lightheavy.

- - He turned pro weighing without training or dehydration near the 175 lb limit. Moorer was busting a$$ making the limit and well over 190 come fight time.

Usky turns pro weighing over the 200 lb limit as a heavywt Olympic gold medalist and was well over 200lb for his cruiser titles, in short, a better heavy champ than Fields, 26-10-2, 15 KO record.

I like it when U squeal so.

[JAB5239]

- - He turned pro weighing without training or dehydration near the 175 lb limit. Moorer was busting a$$ making the limit and well over 190 come fight time.

Usky turns pro weighing over the 200 lb limit as a heavywt Olympic gold medalist and was well over 200lb for his cruiser titles, in short, a better heavy champ than Fields, 26-10-2, 15 KO record.

I like it when U squeal so.

You said "Moorer was killing himself to make 175, you know, the weight Vander turned pro at." This in fact is and was not true. Evander never fought at Lightheavy like Moorer. Before he was a heavyweight he was never within the lightheavyweight limit. So yes, you lied.

[them_apples]

You said "Moorer was killing himself to make 175, you know, the weight Vander turned pro at." This in fact is and was not true. Evander never fought at Lightheavy like Moorer. Before he was a heavyweight he was never within the lightheavyweight limit. So yes, you lied.

Am I missing something here.

[them_apples]

Moorer was killing himself to make 175, you know, the weight Vander turned pro at. After all his KO LH title bouts he completely skipped cruiser to jump up 40 lbs, the weight he should've been carrying all along. And then got bigger still.

You don't seem to understand the time line of events and weights, so you compromise with some tangential subjective nonsense completely unprovable.

The timeline of events is evander gets on HGH and starts growing HGH head and chin and got false heart readings likely because of it. If you look at Vander against qawi, yeah he could be a heavyweight, but a very small one. His legs are thin as is his waist.

If you want to find a fighters true weight class just find the weight class they didn’t get tired or need to take breaks in. True weight class is your frame minus any weight you don’t need. People are lighter when actually “fit” for a sport like boxing which is explosive but very much an endurance contest most people don’t realize. As you tire your reflexes and timing deteriorate which isn’t visible to the viewer outside of watching the knockout. Your heart has to work harder for every lb of weight you have on you, especially if its muscle.

fighters used to get very light and stayed relaxed = 25 round stamina. Now fighters cut a lot of weight but they aren’t built like someone who is trying to be light. They are actually over buffed a lot of the time.

And for the record people don’t evolve in 50 years things just change and the population grows.

[JAB5239]

Am I missing something here.

Queenie making things up to suit his agenda by claiming Holyfield started his career at 175.

[QueensburyRules]

Queenie making things up to suit his agenda by claiming Holyfield started his career at 175.

- - He started his career able to make supermiddle. I was being generous with LH that was his street weight.

Was U in junior straw?

[JAB5239]

- - He started his career able to make supermiddle. I was being generous with LH that was his street weight.

Was U in junior straw?

Really? He fought at 178 as an amateur. He never weighed less than 177.5 as a pro. That is a Cruiserweight.

[them_apples]

- - He started his career able to make supermiddle. I was being generous with LH that was his street weight.

Was U in junior straw?

Holyfield really cut hard to get down to that weight, pissing iron and such after his fight w qawi cause his body had no fat to get energy from. He's a small heavyweight Natty, probably 185-190 lb fighter. I doubt he's naturally over 200 without weights, bulk diet and HGH/roids. His legs are naturally slim, his upperbody looks very bulked even at 210. 210 and 6 ft 2 is totally feasable for a heavyweight, but when it's all upperbody and no fat then yeah he's blown up pretty hard.

You look at Louis and Ali they both have thick heavyweight legs and lean upper bodies that could probably hold more weight if they wanted

[QueensburyRules]

Really? He fought at 178 as an amateur. He never weighed less than 177.5 as a pro. That is a Cruiserweight.

- - It's simple enough that U don't even know simple... but as U gushed, he never competed at LH. The weights given were his early street weights around his debut in nontitle bouts where he need not cut weight.

Usyk first 5 fights were his street weights over the 200lb cruiser limit moved 10 lbs over Field 190 cruiser days.

In short, Usyk was a natural traditional heavyweight bigger than most heavywt champs in history. Field would've been one of those puny champs well under even his 190 lb salad days where he had to eat and lift his way to 190 aided by his special vitamins.

[JAB5239]

- - It's simple enough that U don't even know simple... but as U gushed, he never competed at LH. The weights given were his early street weights around his debut in nontitle bouts where he need not cut weight.

Usyk first 5 fights were his street weights over the 200lb cruiser limit moved 10 lbs over Field 190 cruiser days.

In short, Usyk was a natural traditional heavyweight bigger than most heavywt champs in history. Field would've been one of those puny champs well under even his 190 lb salad days where he had to eat and lift his way to 190 aided by his special vitamins.

You have most obviously never fought before. Every fight camp there is weight loss. It's nearly impossible for there not to be. And how exactly do you know the walk around weight of a 22 year old, 6'2" man? Can you provide some kind of link or evidence for this or are you just making stuff up again?

What does Usyk have to do with this? Stop trying to change the direction of what we're talking about. That being you making things up again.

Yes, Holyfield most likely used "special vitamins" just like Canelo, who actually tested positve twice.

Bottom line....Holyfield NEVER fought at 175 as you erroneously claimed and or made up. Kind of like the way you made up Holmes was never ranked while Foreman was. I noticed you meekly bowed out of that conversation when i put the evidence right in front of you yet again.