Michael Moorer dominates 6 ft 10 275 lb Mike White

[them_apples]

Anyone who disagrees with him is accused of being a casual or starting a pointless thread. He loves to split hairs and never admits when he's wrong. The take-away here is that Moorer was in fact the much smaller man, but he was more skilled and that skill is what prevailed. Usyk just showed what a smaller, more skilled boxer can do to a much larger mediocre fighter...and he did it twice! It's not a rule without exceptions. Sometimes the smaller, more skilled fighter can't overcome the size disadvantages, but various factors come into play...prime of the fighter, wear and tear, if the bigger man is a clincher/runner, etc.

yeah even if this post isn't the be all end all to size, it still means something. We have a former LHW dominating a 6 ft 10 275 heavyweight. we are talking a huge size disparaity, and I suspect Moorer is NOT 225 lbs. We saw him fight Foreman, he's a much smaller man in every sense of the word, he's not 225 lb fighter. if he was he must have ate 5 meals beforehand. He's even smaller than Holyfield. My guess is they overstated his weight to make it seem more competitive. I also wouldn't be surprised if Mike White was heavier. Foreman in his early days coming back was approaching 270.

Same thing with other fighters, In Fraziers Book he stated bonevena was 225-230 lbs (something like that). On the tape they are almost the same weight. There is no way, Frazier is much much smaller.

[Ivich]

yeah even if this post isn't the be all end all to size, it still means something. We have a former LHW dominating a 6 ft 10 275 heavyweight. we are talking a huge size disparaity, and I suspect Moorer is NOT 225 lbs. We saw him fight Foreman, he's a much smaller man in every sense of the word, he's not 225 lb fighter. if he was he must have ate 5 meals beforehand. He's even smaller than Holyfield. My guess is they overstated his weight to make it seem more competitive. I also wouldn't be surprised if Mike White was heavier. Foreman in his early days coming back was approaching 270.

Same thing with other fighters, In Fraziers Book he stated bonevena was 225-230 lbs (something like that). On the tape they are almost the same weight. There is no way, Frazier is much much smaller.

My position is around 220lbs a man is big enough to beat anybody IF he is good enough.
Haye 216 lbs beat Valuev315 lbs but he couldnt beat Klitschko 242lbs because Wlad was too good for him it's that simple and all the crap Ghost keeps posting proves Jack ****!
It's just so much BS.

[them_apples]

My position is around 220lbs a man is big enough to beat anybody IF he is good enough.
Haye 216 lbs beat Valuev315 lbs but he couldnt beat Klitschko 242lbs because Wlad was too good for him it's that simple and all the crap Ghost keeps posting proves Jack ****!
It's just so much BS.

Thats just weight though, it determines very little. Youll never know how much of a fighters weight is beneficial to him. Everyones body make up is different. Throw a belly on any fighter and you got yourself 20-30 lbs right there on a heavyweight. You got some guys who are carrying too much muscle, meaning they put it on. Since this is effectively added weight, they will suffer a stamina problem always. You can see Holyfield, a very conditioned fighter, start sucking wind around 215 lbs.

the weight and height are a very rough estimate of a fighters size, but so many other factors are at play. I think that at this point you just won’t ever agree so well have to figure out another way to allow you to agree without agreeing.

the only thing weight does in the heavyweight division, is make you harder to push around.

weight is just one if those things we all grew up using as a measuring stick for “how big we got” but should be no means used for anything more than setting weight classes. Thomas Hearns and Paulie Malignaggi once fought in the same division.

[Ivich]

Thats just weight though, it determines very little. Youll never know how much of a fighters weight is beneficial to him. Everyones body make up is different. Throw a belly on any fighter and you got yourself 20-30 lbs right there on a heavyweight. You got some guys who are carrying too much muscle, meaning they put it on. Since this is effectively added weight, they will suffer a stamina problem always. You can see Holyfield, a very conditioned fighter, start sucking wind around 215 lbs.

the weight and height are a very rough estimate of a fighters size, but so many other factors are at play. I think that at this point you just won’t ever agree so well have to figure out another way to allow you to agree without agreeing.

the only thing weight does in the heavyweight division, is make you harder to push around.

weight is just one if those things we all grew up using as a measuring stick for “how big we got” but should be no means used for anything more than setting weight classes. Thomas Hearns and Paulie Malignaggi once fought in the same division.

I'm happy to disagree with him because I have zero respect for him or anyone who hasn't the balls to admit when they are wrong.
He's made a couple of accusations about me that I've proven are wrong but he lacks the guts to concede that, he not only lacks guts he lacks honesty,and objectivity, so **** him.
I was once a welter weight, now I'm 192lbs Im not trying to put fighters under a microscope I'm saying ,as a general guide a man around 220lbs,[ not a fat pudding ,]is big enough to beat anyone if his talent is superior. The most recent example of this is Usyk.

[QueensburyRules]

Thats just weight though, it determines very little. Youll never know how much of a fighters weight is beneficial to him. Everyones body make up is different. Throw a belly on any fighter and you got yourself 20-30 lbs right there on a heavyweight. You got some guys who are carrying too much muscle, meaning they put it on. Since this is effectively added weight, they will suffer a stamina problem always. You can see Holyfield, a very conditioned fighter, start sucking wind around 215 lbs.

the weight and height are a very rough estimate of a fighters size, but so many other factors are at play. I think that at this point you just won’t ever agree so well have to figure out another way to allow you to agree without agreeing.

the only thing weight does in the heavyweight division, is make you harder to push around.

weight is just one if those things we all grew up using as a measuring stick for “how big we got” but should be no means used for anything more than setting weight classes. Thomas Hearns and Paulie Malignaggi once fought in the same division.

- - Another useless thread created by U. Tall and short men been KOing each other from time immemorial.

Julius Long 7-1 been high paying useful fodder for heavyweights for years now. So What little guys beat him?

Julius Lloyd Long

[them_apples]

I'm happy to disagree with him because I have zero respect for him or anyone who hasn't the balls to admit when they are wrong.
He's made a couple of accusations about me that I've proven are wrong but he lacks the guts to concede that, he not only lacks guts he lacks honesty,and objectivity, so **** him.
I was once a welter weight, now I'm 192lbs Im not trying to put fighters under a microscope I'm saying ,as a general guide a man around 220lbs,[ not a fat pudding ,]is big enough to beat anyone if his talent is superior. The most recent example of this is Usyk.

Totally, its an easy thing to prove yet here we are arguing with the same people about it over and over.

esp at heavyweight when there is no cap on weight, this is where we see a lot of blown up fighters.

size matters as a single factor by itself, but real true structural size and strength isn’t something you can define by reading a scale and height, as seen since the beginning of time.

there have been good big fighters and bad ones, most fighters have lost at some point, given they take challenges.

smaller fighters almost always tend to be “better” because being smaller means everything is easier to do. However if the big fighter knows how to use his size or doesn’t respect the little mans power obviously in some cases size can be a prevailing factor. But certainly not across the board. And even as fighters started packing weight on more than they used to, Ive yet to see any verified proof that its actually benefitting them (given its not just gear).

[QueensburyRules]

yeah even if this post isn't the be all end all to size, it still means something. We have a former LHW dominating a 6 ft 10 275 heavyweight. we are talking a huge size disparaity, and I suspect Moorer is NOT 225 lbs. We saw him fight Foreman, he's a much smaller man in every sense of the word, he's not 225 lb fighter. if he was he must have ate 5 meals beforehand. He's even smaller than Holyfield. My guess is they overstated his weight to make it seem more competitive. I also wouldn't be surprised if Mike White was heavier. Foreman in his early days coming back was approaching 270.

Same thing with other fighters, In Fraziers Book he stated bonevena was 225-230 lbs (something like that). On the tape they are almost the same weight. There is no way, Frazier is much much smaller.

Moorer was killing himself to make 175, you know, the weight Vander turned pro at. After all his KO LH title bouts he completely skipped cruiser to jump up 40 lbs, the weight he should've been carrying all along. And then got bigger still.

You don't seem to understand the time line of events and weights, so you compromise with some tangential subjective nonsense completely unprovable.

[JAB5239]

Moorer was killing himself to make 175, you know, the weight Vander turned pro at. After all his KO LH title bouts he completely skipped cruiser to jump up 40 lbs, the weight he should've been carrying all along. And then got bigger still.

You don't seem to understand the time line of events and weights, so you compromise with some tangential subjective nonsense completely unprovable.

Holyfield never weighed 175 for a professional fight. You don't seem to understand the time line of events and weights.

[QueensburyRules]

Holyfield never weighed 175 for a professional fight. You don't seem to understand the time line of events and weights.

- - That just a mouse trap for U to niggle over a single pound.

BoxRec: Evander Holyfield

[JAB5239]

- - That just a mouse trap for U to niggle over a single pound.

BoxRec: Evander Holyfield

No, that is you making things up........AKA lying again. Fact is, he never fought professionally at lightheavy.