Who was the best fighter Roy Jones beat?

[IronDanHamza]

Toney is the superior fighter, both skills wise, mentally and physically. Where he lacks is discipline. Hopkins worked very hard for his victories and always came in shape. And even then these wins while good, weren’t always impressive or against true top tier comp.

toney on the other hand was obese schooling ranked heavyweights. Ive never seen a masterclass like Toney vs Barkley. He was truly an absolute throwback dropped into the modern era. And had they fought I think Toney’s style matches up well against Hopkins.

Nah, no he's not. Not even close actually.

There is literally not a single example of Toney schooling a ranked Heavyweight outside of Holyfield's shot to pieces corpse, who was just about ranked. So to use "Heavyweights" plural is factually incorrect.

You've never seen a masterclass like Toney-Barkley? That's a shame. I'd consider watching more boxing. Barkely was an average fighter at best in his prime, much less the passed it version Toney fought. That win is barely impressive at all, all things considered.

And lastly, Toney's style matches up terribly with Hopkins. Toney's feet are incredibly slow and stationary, Hopkins would have no problems keeping it long and out boxing him for a stylistic stand point.

[IronDanHamza]

lmao thats so true, nobody knows his actual weight class because he fought at whatever weight he wanted and for the most part looked good in every weight class. At every weight class he had at least one “motivated” Toney where he would dominate someone.

Looked good in every weight class? What bizarro world planet do you live on?

For starters, he looked piss poor at Light Heavyweight and Heavyweight, so that's that.

Secondly, he took embarrassing loss's at every single weight class he fought at outside out Crusierweight where he had 1 fight.

So the reality is actually the total opposite of what you're trying to claim.

[them_apples]

Nah, no he's not. Not even close actually.

There is literally not a single example of Toney schooling a ranked Heavyweight outside of Holyfield's shot to pieces corpse, who was just about ranked. So to use "Heavyweights" plural is factually incorrect.

You've never seen a masterclass like Toney-Barkley? That's a shame. I'd consider watching more boxing. Barkely was an average fighter at best in his prime, much less the passed it version Toney fought. That win is barely impressive at all, all things considered.

And lastly, Toney's style matches up terribly with Hopkins. Toney's feet are incredibly slow and stationary, Hopkins would have no problems keeping it long and out boxing him for a stylistic stand point.

Find me a better masterclass domination than Toney Barkley. Then link me. Any era.

then you got Hopkins circling away from welterweight Trinidad for 12 rounds, even though hes natural at 160, has a strength advantage and honestly probably could have just brawled with Trinidad from round one and taken him out earlier. Then goes and calls it a masterclass. How he nullified Trinidads left hook etc etc. nah he was just bigger and stronger, any strategy would have worked as long as he came to win.

jermain Taylors jab and speed was enough to beat Hopkins, Toney has that and more

[them_apples]

Looked good in every weight class? What bizarro world planet do you live on?

For starters, he looked piss poor at Light Heavyweight and Heavyweight, so that's that.

Secondly, he took embarrassing loss's at every single weight class he fought at outside out Crusierweight where he had 1 fight.

So the reality is actually the total opposite of what you're trying to claim.

did he look bad? Or did the the heavyweights he was facing even look worse? He looked fat as hell sure, but nobody else ever in the history of boxing looked (fat) AND performed like him. I notice you really really don’t like Toney. To the point you start deluding yourself. Find someone as out of shape as Toney that was capable of doing what he did lol. In fact to this day the closest we saw of Toney getting his ass beat was Roy Jones, and that was no wooping as far as a beating goes. Give the man some credit

[IronDanHamza]

Find me a better masterclass domination than Toney Barkley. Then link me. Any era.

then you got Hopkins circling away from welterweight Trinidad for 12 rounds, even though hes natural at 160, has a strength advantage and honestly probably could have just brawled with Trinidad from round one and taken him out earlier. Then goes and calls it a masterclass. How he nullified Trinidads left hook etc etc. nah he was just bigger and stronger, any strategy would have worked as long as he came to win.

jermain Taylors jab and speed was enough to beat Hopkins, Toney has that and more

I'd legitimately be here all night if you wanted me to list better performances than that.

You're talking about a fight where someone dominated a past prime, average fighter in Barkley. I could probably name 100 of those instances let alone fighters who dominated actual top level, elite fighters. Which, Barkley certainly was not, even in his prime let alone that version.

Well Toney doesn't have a good jab nor is he fast so there's that. That's also a 40 year old Hopkins who lost to Taylor.

James Toney in his prime was damn near dominated by Dave Tiberi who's a journeyman.

[IronDanHamza]

did he look bad? Or did the the heavyweights he was facing even look worse? He looked fat as hell sure, but nobody else ever in the history of boxing looked (fat) AND performed like him. I notice you really really don’t like Toney. To the point you start deluding yourself. Find someone as out of shape as Toney that was capable of doing what he did lol. In fact to this day the closest we saw of Toney getting his ass beat was Roy Jones, and that was no wooping as far as a beating goes. Give the man some credit

Yes he looked terrible. He has no wins there against any top ranked opponents.

Toney has embarrassing loss's at every weight class he ever fought in, spanning from unranked journeyman multiple times in his prime years to elites.

These are facts, which is what I deal with. It's you who's talking total fantasy and delusion.

You literally just laughably claimed Toney looked good at every weight he fought at when it's in actual fact the exact opposite Toney's LHW run for example being shockingly bad.

[them_apples]

Yes he looked terrible. He has no wins there against any top ranked opponents.

Toney has embarrassing loss's at every weight class he ever fought in, spanning from unranked journeyman multiple times in his prime years to elites.

These are facts, which is what I deal with. It's you who's talking total fantasy and delusion.

You literally just laughably claimed Toney looked good at every weight he fought at when it's in actual fact the exact opposite Toney's LHW run for example being shockingly bad.

You are talking about him in regards to his career. I am talking about him p4p as a boxer on his good nights. For example you redicule Toneys win over Holyfield. Which is true Holyfield is finished, but still nobody did that to Holyfield ever, and second I think we all know Toney that night would have beat a lot of heavyweights. Stick that toney in with Wilder and tell me Wilder is the first guy in Toneys career that will catch him flush highly unlikely, and with Wilder that might be the biggest upset in history. A guy that telegraphs all his punches and has no jab, vs a master counter puncher with A grade defense. Not only that, he outweighs Wilder which apparently means everything. It would be a hilarious spectacle watching 5 ft 10 Toney slipping Wilders looping shots with ease and absolutely nailing him spot on with counters. I know Wilder is 6 ft 7, but he slouches and holds a wide stance because he’s top heavy and unbalanced. I’m trying to picture what tools in Wilders arsenal somehow come to his aid against Toney. He’s gonna get mauled inside, his ribs busted up. When the skill gap is this big someone get’s exposed. Give Wilder a target though and he makes things competitive.

[them_apples]

I'd legitimately be here all night if you wanted me to list better performances than that.

You're talking about a fight where someone dominated a past prime, average fighter in Barkley. I could probably name 100 of those instances let alone fighters who dominated actual top level, elite fighters. Which, Barkley certainly was not, even in his prime let alone that version.

Well Toney doesn't have a good jab nor is he fast so there's that. That's also a 40 year old Hopkins who lost to Taylor.

James Toney in his prime was damn near dominated by Dave Tiberi who's a journeyman.

you changed the demand ever so slightly, I said a masterclass, a domination not a better performance (which could mean anything including 1 st round kos). Show me a fight where someone got outskilled and beat up more so than Toney Barkley. We got some good contenders, but nothing tops it. It was extremely one sided for a high level fight that didn’t result in a stoppage. Very high hit and not get hit ratio, and all high quality blows. Any shots Barkley did register as landed were ridden so well you could say Barkley landed next to 0.

I like Ali Wepner, Whitaker - Haugan, Mayweather - Corrales, sanchez vs lopez….non of these top Toney vs Barkley

and if you are a true Hopkins fan, tell me when he prime was?? I’d say it was 37-39. So don’t act like Hopkins wasn’t anything but a hair past prime, and leagues more experienced than Taylor. On top of that he got a rematch too. So it wasn’t a fluke. All he has are age and weight to make excuses about, both which aren’t very convincing. This is more significant then Toney’s losses because this is Hopkins maybe even at his prime and with 2 chances to try.

I’ll be nice and say he could have won 1 of them at least.

[IronDanHamza]

You are talking about him in regards to his career. I am talking about him p4p as a boxer on his good nights. For example you redicule Toneys win over Holyfield. Which is true Holyfield is finished, but still nobody did that to Holyfield ever, and second I think we all know Toney that night would have beat a lot of heavyweights. Stick that toney in with Wilder and tell me Wilder is the first guy in Toneys career that will catch him flush highly unlikely, and with Wilder that might be the biggest upset in history. A guy that telegraphs all his punches and has no jab, vs a master counter puncher with A grade defense. Not only that, he outweighs Wilder which apparently means everything. It would be a hilarious spectacle watching 5 ft 10 Toney slipping Wilders looping shots with ease and absolutely nailing him spot on with counters. I know Wilder is 6 ft 7, but he slouches and holds a wide stance because he’s top heavy and unbalanced. I’m trying to picture what tools in Wilders arsenal somehow come to his aid against Toney. He’s gonna get mauled inside, his ribs busted up. When the skill gap is this big someone get’s exposed. Give Wilder a target though and he makes things competitive.

Errr, yeah, I'm talking about his career. You're cherrypicking "good nights" against average opponents.

Toney loses to Deontay Wilder 100 times out of 100. There is zero evidence Toney has any kind of capability of beating an elite Heavyweight.

But as you've further confirmed, like many others of your ilk, you live in total fantasy world that's completely removed from any kind of reality where James Toney dominates and destroy's top level fighters. Which in actual reality never happened a single time in his career.

[IronDanHamza]

you changed the demand ever so slightly, I said a masterclass, a domination not a better performance (which could mean anything including 1 st round kos). Show me a fight where someone got outskilled and beat up more so than Toney Barkley. We got some good contenders, but nothing tops it. It was extremely one sided for a high level fight that didn’t result in a stoppage. Very high hit and not get hit ratio, and all high quality blows. Any shots Barkley did register as landed were ridden so well you could say Barkley landed next to 0.

I like Ali Wepner, Whitaker - Haugan, Mayweather - Corrales, sanchez vs lopez….non of these top Toney vs Barkley

and if you are a true Hopkins fan, tell me when he prime was?? I’d say it was 37-39. So don’t act like Hopkins wasn’t anything but a hair past prime, and leagues more experienced than Taylor. On top of that he got a rematch too. So it wasn’t a fluke. All he has are age and weight to make excuses about, both which aren’t very convincing. This is more significant then Toney’s losses because this is Hopkins maybe even at his prime and with 2 chances to try.

I’ll be nice and say he could have won 1 of them at least.

I didn't change any demands. I didn't even make a demand actually.

You've laughably asserted that Toney's "masterclass" over a past it, average fighter in Iran Barkley is some kind of phenomena when in reality it's a decent win at very best.

I'm not a true Hopkins fan. I'm not a Hopkins fan at all. I just identify the obvious which is Hopkins beats Toney easily. He's also a better fighter.

Mate don't even talk about loss's here, James Toney lost clearly to JOURNEYMAN in his prime multiple times. That's a road an internet Toney fanboy should not go down.

He also lost to Montel Griffin back to back, so, your argument for Hopkins losing twice to Taylor falls flat on it's face there. Which is becoming a common theme with your batshit, bizarro arguments.