Who was the best fighter Roy Jones beat?

[ShoulderRoll]

Incidentally, Mike McCallum was trained by both George Benton and Eddie Futch.

I know he in turn was training people himself a while back. Wish he had a bigger stable of guys to pass his knowledge down to.

[IronDanHamza]

Mcallum shouldn't be on the list. He's certainly past his prime like Roy was vs Calzaghe. Thats a no brainer.

You make a point about the the Toney and Hopkins excuses though. Fair game.

I personally would have liked to see rematches though. Hopkins did quite well in the fight and was winning the later rounds. Toney literally was killing himself to make weight, and it wasn't long after he was a cruiserweight.

I agree though, especially with Toney, it's not really an excuse. As with Hopkins, i think with the commentating turned off the fight was close enough to warrant a rematch.

Being out of shape was Toneys specialty, he just did well if a fighter came at him. So it seems as though prime Roy would have been too much for Toney 9 times out of 10. The one time being the toney that fought Nunn who showed great stamina and ability to put on pressure (I'd give him a decent chance)

Hopkins was very much a showboating win though, didn't see roy actually connect with all that much regardless of what the commentating was saying. Didn't see Hopkins do much either until the last 2 rounds, but he did press the fight.

10 times out of 10. They are totally different levels of fighters.

And Toney looked garbage against Nunn.

[IronDanHamza]

It HAS to be TONEY, UNBEATEN and dangerous Champion. With even a later excellent record. His fight with Jirov was astonishing.
And jones won about every round. Toney was FAR better than Hopkins at almost any period of their time in the ring.

Nah. Not at all actually.

Hopkins is the superior fighter.

[The Old LefHook]

Nah. Not at all actually.

Hopkins is the superior fighter.

Tell me, don't you think Toney fought much better competition than Ho'kins? The style of Ho'kins was to Not fight, stink the joint up and torture the viewer. Ho'kins was a hard trainer, I will give him that. But personally, I do not consider him a great fighter. He holds a couple of cheap records. I am not much impressed by that either.

[IronDanHamza]

Tell me, don't you think Toney fought much better competition than Ho'kins? The style of Ho'kins was to Not fight, stink the joint up and torture the viewer. Ho'kins was a hard trainer, I will give him that. But personally, I do not consider him a great fighter. He holds a couple of cheap records. I am not much impressed by that either.

Toney's style is more pleasing on the eye, yeah. I don't think watching Hopkins fights.

And in regards to overall competition level, yeah Toney fought much better guys but I'd say Hopkins certainly had the better career, doesn't have the numerous embarrassing loss's in his prime years like Toney does either.

[QueensburyRules]

Toney's style is more pleasing on the eye, yeah. I don't think watching Hopkins fights.

And in regards to overall competition level, yeah Toney fought much better guys but I'd say Hopkins certainly had the better career, doesn't have the numerous embarrassing loss's in his prime years like Toney does either.

- - Dude, twoton never crawled around the canvas squallin' like a kicked cur for the ref like Poppy specialized in anytime he came under fire.

Shame Boozo ain't around no more as he'd have U squallin' too!

[The Old LefHook]

Well, OK, it wasn't much better, as far as competition goes. I have to compromise. You could even call it a draw. Toney fought 6 former or future heavyweight title holders, two of them twice, and was never KO'd in his career, both of which bring his stock up. He definitely fought the bigger punchers, but Ho'kins fought a few more decent title holders, but no large sized ones. Whether a title holder is first rate competition is another matter, which is decided personally. They both fought title holders I did not include.

As with any draw, I know it is reasonable to disagree.

Ho'kins cried about fictional fouls more than once, trying to win by foul, and was KO'd twice. His middleweight run was semi-barren of quality competition, so he could break records cheaply, but he started upping it when he went to higher divisions, which brings his stock up. He also has more recognizable names on his ledger, like Hoya and Trinidad, who were smaller fighters, however. All but a few of Toney's quality opposition were naturally built much larger than he was. He was nearly always fighting fat. Hopkins was much more disciplined and a great trainer who was always in shape. If that is what makes a fighter great to Hammy, I also know that is part of the equation.

To be clear: I have now conceded that the competition was about equal. Who was better is still up for debate, I believe. Hopkins fought a few more title claimants, Toney fought the bigger punchers by far.

Toney

Lucas Browne (1)
Oquendo (1)
Rahman (2)
Peter (2)
John Ruiz (1)
Holyfield (1)
Jirov (1)
McCallum (3)
Montell Griffin (1)
Roy Jones (1)
Iran Barkley (1)
Reggie Johnson (1)
Nunn (1)
Charles Williams (1)
Steve Little (1)



Ho'kins


Joe Smith (1)
Kovalev (1)
Cloud (1)
Dawson (2)
Pascal (2)
Roy Jones (2)
Pavlik (1)
Calzaghe (1)
Winky Wright (1)
Tarver (1)
Taylor (2)
Hoya (1)
Trinidad (1)
Glen Johnson (1)
Jackson (1)
Simon Brown (1)
Joppy (1)

[BKM-]

Toney might not have been quite as good as Bernard and Roid but he had more balls than both. Looking at some of the dangerous matchups he faced and took on. Well, maybe Bernard grew some balls later. Taking on Kovalev at his age and sticking the tongue out at him, activating his inner Ivan Drago, that was pretty ballsy.

[IronDanHamza]

Well, OK, it wasn't much better, as far as competition goes. I have to compromise. You could even call it a draw. Toney fought 6 former or future heavyweight title holders, two of them twice, and was never KO'd in his career, both of which bring his stock up. He definitely fought the bigger punchers, but Ho'kins fought a few more decent title holders, but no large sized ones. Whether a title holder is first rate competition is another matter, which is decided personally. They both fought title holders I did not include.

As with any draw, I know it is reasonable to disagree.

Ho'kins cried about fictional fouls more than once, trying to win by foul, and was KO'd twice. His middleweight run was semi-barren of quality competition, so he could break records cheaply, but he started upping it when he went to higher divisions, which brings his stock up. He also has more recognizable names on his ledger, like Hoya and Trinidad, who were smaller fighters, however. All but a few of Toney's quality opposition were naturally built much larger than he was. He was nearly always fighting fat. Hopkins was much more disciplined and a great trainer who was always in shape. If that is what makes a fighter great to Hammy, I also know that is part of the equation.

To be clear: I have now conceded that the competition was about equal. Who was better is still up for debate, I believe. Hopkins fought a few more title claimants, Toney fought the bigger punchers by far.

Toney

Lucas Browne (1)
Oquendo (1)
Rahman (2)
Peter (2)
John Ruiz (1)
Holyfield (1)
Jirov (1)
McCallum (3)
Montell Griffin (1)
Roy Jones (1)
Iran Barkley (1)
Reggie Johnson (1)
Nunn (1)
Charles Williams (1)
Steve Little (1)



Ho'kins


Joe Smith (1)
Kovalev (1)
Cloud (1)
Dawson (2)
Pascal (2)
Roy Jones (2)
Pavlik (1)
Calzaghe (1)
Winky Wright (1)
Tarver (1)
Taylor (2)
Hoya (1)
Trinidad (1)
Glen Johnson (1)
Jackson (1)
Simon Brown (1)
Joppy (1)

I never said either of them were great.

Toney isn't great.

Hopkins? Debatable.

[Rockybigblower]

Maybe you have a point there.

Although as mentioned there are those who will say Toney killed himself making the weight.







An interesting choice. Care to elaborate why you chose him?

Undefeated....decent KO record....came to win from overseas and not just for a paycheck. Great chin. He made Roy work for the win and allowed those who called Roy smoke and mirrors to see how good he really was at his best. KO of the year with that perfect shot.