Carmen Basilio v Jose Napoles?

[Ivich]

Who wins this and why?

[billeau2]

Tough... Naples was a technical marvel and Basilio had technical chops to spare but was far and wide the toughest damn onion farmer to ever come out of the empire state.

Could make a case for either guy... I love how Cuban fighters culturally are raised in the sport and seem to have foundational skills... Didn't basilio lose to Gavilan? Lew Genkins was perpetually underated... I guess I will go with Naples.

[The Old LefHook]

I always felt Napoles is overrated. This happens in boxing all the time. How great is Choclatito now that we have had a better chance to see him? Just another fighter. But a few years ago they could not get enough of proclaiming how great he was.

Talk about obscure nonentîties--if they were, then Napoles fought them. He beat exactly no one of note. On the other hand, he had the pîss slapped out of him by Basilio's nephew. So no, he cannot beat the man who beat Sugar Ray Robinson once, not even close. Napoles is not a top 10 welterweight in my opinion, which is probably not the consensus opinion. What do I care?

[Ivich]

I always felt Napoles is overrated. This happens in boxing all the time. How great is Choclatito now that we have had a better chance to see him? Just another fighter. But a few years ago they could not get enough of proclaiming how great he was.

Talk about obscure nonentîties--if they were, then Napoles fought them. He beat exactly no one of note. On the other hand, he had the pîss slapped out of him by Basilio's nephew. So no, he cannot beat the man who beat Sugar Ray Robinson once, not even close. Napoles is not a top 10 welterweight in my opinion, which is probably not the consensus opinion. What do I care?

Backus beat Napoles because the Cuban sustained a bad cut .

time: 0:55 | referee: Jack Milicich 2-1 | Tony DeSalvo 2-1 | Joe Palmer 2-0
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A bad cut over Napoles left eye forced the stoppage. Napoles was also cut over the right eye.
NO SLAPPING WHATSOEVER.
Napoles beat the **** out of him in the return.
Do you ever bother to read up on these fights,or do you just take the result and run with it?
Napoles beat good solid challengers like;
Charles
Muniz x2
Menetrey
Josselin
Lewis x2
Lopezx2
Gonzalez
Gray
Pruitt
And champions
Griffith
Cokes x2

[The Old LefHook]

Who cut him, halfwit, the referee?

[Ivich]

Who cut him, halfwit, the referee?

Backus' head cut him.
What happened in the rematch?
Was it something like this?
time: 1:53 | referee: **** Young 6-1 | Lee Grossman 5-1 | Larry Rozadilla 4-2
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Backus was knocked down twice in the 8th round. After the 2nd knockdown, the referee took Backus to the ring doctor, who stopped the fight on a cut in the corner of Backus' left eye.
Notice who was well infront when the fight was stopped?
You're calling me a half wit?
You who said if Conteh had fought Ahumada he would have lost!

News flash he DID fight him and he WON!

[them_apples]

Who wins this and why?

Tough cause napoles is so skillful but had a drinking problem and not enough star competition. Napoles is superior in most ways except the most important one, heart and probably chin.

Really tough call. Ill prob edge it to Basilio with the late round rally and the glimpses of Napoles fading late

[Ivich]

Tough cause napoles is so skillful but had a drinking problem and not enough star competition. Napoles is superior in most ways except the most important one, heart and probably chin.

Really tough call. Ill prob edge it to Basilio with the late round rally and the glimpses of Napoles fading late

Both were prone to cuts ,I think I'd agree with you and give Carmen the nod based on his strength, will, and heart.
He was the template for the term WARRIOR.

[Willie Pep 229]

There lies a rub:

Half of Basilio's fights might be stopped on cuts today, while Napoles's fight might well have been left to continue had it been the late 1940's or early 50's.

Which 'cuts rules' are they fighting under, the TV era or the somke filled arena?

P.S. Yes I believe the Paret fight had a bigger impact, on when and why fights are stopped, than the Kim fight. Had it not happened on live TV it wouldn't have changed things, just one more dead fighter with a two line newspaper mention.

[Ivich]

There lies a rub:

Half of Basilio's fights might be stopped on cuts today, while Napoles's fight might well have been left to continue had it been the late 1940's or early 50's.

Which 'cuts rules' are they fighting under, the TV era or the somke filled arena?

P.S. Yes I believe the Paret fight had a bigger impact, on when and why fights are stopped, than the Kim fight. Had it not happened on live TV it wouldn't have changed things, just one more dead fighter with a two line newspaper mention.

I think the beating that Paret got from Fullmer was responsible for his demise ,I've never been a fan of Ruby Goldstein as a referee.He stopped the SRR vTurpin fight a tad to early imo Turpin was slipping a lot of those shots.Ruby then went to the other extreme and allowed Griffith to tee off on Paret.Goldstein's handling of the Ingo v Floyd1st fight was farcical too and potentially very dangerous.Shall we say the TV era?