Interesting article concerning Jack Johnson.

[Ivich]

The surviving film which has many rounds shown shows Willard doing and winning rounds way before the knockdown. Johnson is the better on the inside Willard the better on the outside. Too much focus is on round 26th round and Johnson fake claim he took a dive. Round 25 shows Willard had Johnson hurting badly for a body shot. He wasn't acting these. He was hit, tried to cinch Willard to break his fall, and flat out his back under a hot ring mat. He wasn't faking that time either. He was counted out. If you haven't seen the other rounds shown, you should. Johnson power worked only on super middle weight types, short men, and old and tired men. Willard who lacked skill in general however was neither.

This is an unbiased account of the fight
"Willard said before the fight that he expected to take a beating for the first 10 or 15 rounds and had trained specifically for that scenario. Johnson tried his best to make it come true.

The bout opened with both fighters facing one another with gloves at their waists and hoping their head, shoulder, foot and hand feints would force the other man out of position. Johnson easily stepped away from a lunging left/right to the body, smartly smothered a prospective jab to the head and landed a quick counter right over the top. Most of the fight was waged at long range with each fighter striking a defensive upright posture with the majority of their weight on the back foot. While Willard did most of the leading, Johnson did the majority of the scoring with singular thrusts and occasional headlong rushes. When he chose to punch – which wasn’t often – Johnson’s quick and damaging blows enabled him to build a big early lead. That said, Willard soaked up the punishment Johnson dished out with nary a flinch.The 12th saw Johnson unleash a furious burst that drove Willard to the ropes but, once again, the challenger shook off the damage and resumed his patient, jab-heavy boxing. The tenor of the fight began to turn in the 17th when Willard stepped up his forward movement as well as his work rate. Most of his one-twos fell short of the mark or were muffled by Johnson’s open gloves but Willard’s proactive attitude sent a forbidding message to the champion: “I am still strong and you still have nearly 30 more rounds of fighting to do.”

Johnson regained a semblance of control in the 18th, thanks to his occasional charges. At round’s end, Willard d****d his huge left arm around Johnson’s shoulder before beginning his walk toward the corner. Willard was decidedly less friendly in the 19th, for now it was he who began and ended most of the skirmishes and his nimble semi-circling stood in stark contrast to Johnson’s flat-footedness. All the while Willard fired ramrod jabs toward Johnson’s face and followed with rights to the body or the jaw. It clearly was Willard’s best round thus far and given the difference in energy level, more trouble was in store for Johnson – much more.
The fusion of Willard’s strength, his own lax conditioning and the searing conditions forced Johnson to confront the reality that his championship reign was in peril. He always had realized that he lacked the stamina needed to complete 45 rounds but he thought Willard’s perceived clumsiness and inexperience would eliminate the possibility of a long fight. Now that he had one, Johnson had no choice but to step out of his defensive shell and gun for the finish.

Willard continued to jab effectively during the first two minutes of round 20 but the challenger’s right hand to the side of the head ignited a fury within the champion. His flashing fists bulled Willard across the 20-foot ring and while Johnson’s punches landed accurately, they lacked the power that had left the mighty Jeffries in a heap five years earlier. The rally was short-lived, as was the one Johnson produced in the next round after another Willard right to the temple stoked his fire. This time, however, Willard answered with his own assault in the round’s final minute that caused several ringsiders to leap joyously to their feet.

From that point forward, Johnson barely had the energy to hold up his gloves, much less hold off a 238-pound giant. Suddenly, the once-invincible Johnson appeared far older than his 37 years.

“Time had done its work,” the Associated Press reported. “It had been the opinion of Johnson and many of his friends that he did not have to be in the best of condition to whip Willard, underrating the latter’s splendid condition and youthful stamina.”

According to a New York Times account, Johnson asked Curley following round 22 to “Tell my wife I’m tiring and I wish you’d see her out.
The end came shortly before the halfway point of round 26. As the pair maneuvered toward the challenger’s corner, Willard fired a lunging jab followed by a pulverizing right to the jaw. Upon impact, Johnson’s head snapped violently to the side while his hands reached out and tried to take Willard down with him. That effort failed, so his stricken frame slid down Willard’s torso and legs before landing back-first with a thud. As Johnson shaded his eyes from the blinding sun, referee Welsh positioned himself four feet directly behind the champion’s head and tolled the count. Once he reached “10,” he immediately raised Willard’s right arm and walked toward ring center.

After the fight, referee Jack Welch said: "If I had been compelled to give a decision at the end of the twenty-fifth round, it would have been Johnson's by a wide margin. Up to the twentieth round, Willard had one won only one round by a real margin and two or three others by the slightest shade. In the thirteenth and fourteenth, I was almost sure Johnson would knock Willard out, but Willard showed that his jaw and body were too tough. Johnson put up a wonderful fight to the twentieth round, but age stepped in then and defeated him."
I believe Johnson put up a courageous fight but age and lack of conditioning,he was 37 and17lbs over his best weight,ultimately defeated him .
Your premise that the Johnson had the best of the infighting and Willard the best of the long range stuff is agenda driven rubbish the fight was mostly fought at long range as the report states and Johnson was clearly in command until he began to tire.

You trying to assert that Willard was doing well earlier than he actually was is totally discredited by the ringside account of the fight and the referees own quotes .The referee stated if he was called upon to give a decision after 25 rounds he would unhesitatingly have given the verdict to Johnson.
He further said ." Up to the twentieth round, Willard had one won only one round by a real margin and two or three others by the slightest shade."
Johnson was genuinely ko'd, when his chief second Sam McVey got him up on his feet McVey said Johnson didn't quite know where he was.
The morning after the fight Johnson met with the promoter of the fight Jack Curley, Curley asked Johnson how he was feeling?"pretty blue said Johnson ,I never dreamed there was anyone who
could stand up to me if I really went after them" Willard beat me fair and square ,he was the better man"
Johnson also revealed that Willard had knocked two of his gold teeth loose with a big left hand ,and that,rather than let them fall to the canvas for the crowd to see,he swallowed them.
When Willard set sail for the US,Johnson was there to see him off and wish him Bon Voyage.


Members here probably don't know that you are the most phobic,obsessional hater of Jack Johnson that ever existed ,or that you were permanently banned from another forum for it.Well now they do!


I've no wish to engage you in interminable wrangles concerning your hate agenda. I'm just posting this so anyone interested can form their own opinion of the Johnson v Willard fight.
There doesn't appear to be much interest in Jack Johnson on this forum and with your presence here that's probably just as well.FINIS

[Ivich]

- - Flung Pov around the ring like a rag doll in between knocking him down in hostile Moscow all while Russia and Ukraine were busy in the early stages of their on going war.

Braver, more dominant performance than legends like Ali ever mustered. JJ best performance on video is Willard and he got iced for his efforts.

Yer welcome...

• Klitschko was pilloried by some members of the media and many boxing fans for his excessive clinching during the fight and even he admitted it wasn't his finest performance. Kubrat Pulev would pay the price for Wlad's bruised ego.
• Dan Rafael of ESPN.com reported:

Povetkin's game plan seemed simply to rush Klitschko and try to land one big overhand right, which he stopped trying to do by the middle rounds after tasting Klitschko's power. For the first few rounds, he was trying to rough up Klitschko and did make him a bit uncomfortable, but Klitschko did what his late, great trainer Emanuel Steward had taught him to do so effectively, the same strategy Steward had taught Hall of Fame former champ Lennox Lewis: to use his size advantage to tie up his opponent and to lean on him to sap his energy. Klitschko often uses the strategy of punching and then tying up, especially early in a fight. But against Povetkin, it was Klitschko's primary weapon and it made for an ugly fight.Referee Luis Pabon, who received heavy criticism for the way he handled Povetkin's fight last year with Marco Huck, allowed Klitschko to d**** himself all over Povetkin after almost every punch. No warnings or point deductions for repeated infractions that made the fight almost unwatchable.

[Ivich]

We got it. He held super middleweight who didn't move in Ketchel and Burns, save Jack O'Brien who moved around well in a news draw and some felt O'brein won the fight vs Johnson in his prime..

He also held Flynn all day in a fight where Flynn was DQ'd. He held on to tried old Jim Jeffries too. He was in fact saved by the bell vs Jim Batting Johnson. Lucky for Jack this was only 10 rounds and it ended in a draw when one judge gave it to Balling Jim, the other two called it a draw! Of course when he finally fought a real heavyweight, with size the clinching didn't work.


Johnson avoided Langford, Jeannette, and Mcvey from champion to the time afterwords when he we wasn't champion. All those years. Did not fight Wills either. Johnson ducked them! Look it up or research it you'll find what I say is true.

But he sure could clinch the super small, those who lacked height, the old, and the not very good.

Johnson beat the following men who were definitely not "short".
Felix 6' 3"
Ferguson 6' 3 1/2"
Martin 6'31/2"
Jeffords 6' 4"
Kaufman 6'1"
Russell 6'3"
Klon***e 6'0"
McCormick 6'21/2" Johnson signed to defend against Mcvey and Langford in Australia the fights were called off when he jumped bail and public opinion turned against him.
Johnson signed to defend against Jeannette twice in NY the NY AC vetoed the fights and threatened any promoter who put them on with the suspension of his licence.
Johnson sustained a broken arm in the Battling Jim fight and was never in danger of being stopped.
Johnson had been out of the ring for a year and a half.His challenger Battling Jim Johnson was certainly a real heavyweight he scaled 222 3/4lbs for that fight!

Harry Wills was a sparring partner for Johnson Johnson let him go as he said at that stage of his career Wills wasnt capable of giving him a hard workout.

https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php?title=Human:11646
You've been peddling these lies for years and have been banned permanently from sites for doing so.
I guess its now so ingrained in you it's become a Pavlovian Reflex now.

Sincere request. Don't monopolise and **** this forum up with your hate agenda like you did Boxing24, the posters here aren't interested! Get some help!

[Willie Pep 229]

This is an unbiased account of the fight
"Willard said before the fight that he expected to take a beating for the first 10 or 15 rounds and had trained specifically for that scenario. Johnson tried his best to make it come true.

The bout opened with both fighters facing one another with gloves at their waists and hoping their head, shoulder, foot and hand feints would force the other man out of position. Johnson easily stepped away from a lunging left/right to the body, smartly smothered a prospective jab to the head and landed a quick counter right over the top. Most of the fight was waged at long range with each fighter striking a defensive upright posture with the majority of their weight on the back foot. While Willard did most of the leading, Johnson did the majority of the scoring with singular thrusts and occasional headlong rushes. When he chose to punch – which wasn’t often – Johnson’s quick and damaging blows enabled him to build a big early lead. That said, Willard soaked up the punishment Johnson dished out with nary a flinch.The 12th saw Johnson unleash a furious burst that drove Willard to the ropes but, once again, the challenger shook off the damage and resumed his patient, jab-heavy boxing. The tenor of the fight began to turn in the 17th when Willard stepped up his forward movement as well as his work rate. Most of his one-twos fell short of the mark or were muffled by Johnson’s open gloves but Willard’s proactive attitude sent a forbidding message to the champion: “I am still strong and you still have nearly 30 more rounds of fighting to do.”

Johnson regained a semblance of control in the 18th, thanks to his occasional charges. At round’s end, Willard d****d his huge left arm around Johnson’s shoulder before beginning his walk toward the corner. Willard was decidedly less friendly in the 19th, for now it was he who began and ended most of the skirmishes and his nimble semi-circling stood in stark contrast to Johnson’s flat-footedness. All the while Willard fired ramrod jabs toward Johnson’s face and followed with rights to the body or the jaw. It clearly was Willard’s best round thus far and given the difference in energy level, more trouble was in store for Johnson – much more.
The fusion of Willard’s strength, his own lax conditioning and the searing conditions forced Johnson to confront the reality that his championship reign was in peril. He always had realized that he lacked the stamina needed to complete 45 rounds but he thought Willard’s perceived clumsiness and inexperience would eliminate the possibility of a long fight. Now that he had one, Johnson had no choice but to step out of his defensive shell and gun for the finish.

Willard continued to jab effectively during the first two minutes of round 20 but the challenger’s right hand to the side of the head ignited a fury within the champion. His flashing fists bulled Willard across the 20-foot ring and while Johnson’s punches landed accurately, they lacked the power that had left the mighty Jeffries in a heap five years earlier. The rally was short-lived, as was the one Johnson produced in the next round after another Willard right to the temple stoked his fire. This time, however, Willard answered with his own assault in the round’s final minute that caused several ringsiders to leap joyously to their feet.

From that point forward, Johnson barely had the energy to hold up his gloves, much less hold off a 238-pound giant. Suddenly, the once-invincible Johnson appeared far older than his 37 years.

“Time had done its work,” the Associated Press reported. “It had been the opinion of Johnson and many of his friends that he did not have to be in the best of condition to whip Willard, underrating the latter’s splendid condition and youthful stamina.”

According to a New York Times account, Johnson asked Curley following round 22 to “Tell my wife I’m tiring and I wish you’d see her out.
The end came shortly before the halfway point of round 26. As the pair maneuvered toward the challenger’s corner, Willard fired a lunging jab followed by a pulverizing right to the jaw. Upon impact, Johnson’s head snapped violently to the side while his hands reached out and tried to take Willard down with him. That effort failed, so his stricken frame slid down Willard’s torso and legs before landing back-first with a thud. As Johnson shaded his eyes from the blinding sun, referee Welsh positioned himself four feet directly behind the champion’s head and tolled the count. Once he reached “10,” he immediately raised Willard’s right arm and walked toward ring center.

After the fight, referee Jack Welch said: "If I had been compelled to give a decision at the end of the twenty-fifth round, it would have been Johnson's by a wide margin. Up to the twentieth round, Willard had one won only one round by a real margin and two or three others by the slightest shade. In the thirteenth and fourteenth, I was almost sure Johnson would knock Willard out, but Willard showed that his jaw and body were too tough. Johnson put up a wonderful fight to the twentieth round, but age stepped in then and defeated him."
I believe Johnson put up a courageous fight but age and lack of conditioning,he was 37 and17lbs over his best weight,ultimately defeated him .
Your premise that the Johnson had the best of the infighting and Willard the best of the long range stuff is agenda driven rubbish the fight was mostly fought at long range as the report states and Johnson was clearly in command until he began to tire.

You trying to assert that Willard was doing well earlier than he actually was is totally discredited by the ringside account of the fight and the referees own quotes .The referee stated if he was called upon to give a decision after 25 rounds he would unhesitatingly have given the verdict to Johnson.
He further said ." Up to the twentieth round, Willard had one won only one round by a real margin and two or three others by the slightest shade."
Johnson was genuinely ko'd, when his chief second Sam McVey got him up on his feet McVey said Johnson didn't quite know where he was.
The morning after the fight Johnson met with the promoter of the fight Jack Curley, Curley asked Johnson how he was feeling?"pretty blue said Johnson ,I never dreamed there was anyone who
could stand up to me if I really went after them" Willard beat me fair and square ,he was the better man"
Johnson also revealed that Willard had knocked two of his gold teeth loose with a big left hand ,and that,rather than let them fall to the canvas for the crowd to see,he swallowed them.
When Willard set sail for the US,Johnson was there to see him off and wish him Bon Voyage.


Members here probably don't know that you are the most phobic,obsessional hater of Jack Johnson that ever existed ,or that you were permanently banned from another forum for it.Well now they do!


I've no wish to engage you in interminable wrangles concerning your hate agenda. I'm just posting this so anyone interested can form their own opinion of the Johnson v Willard fight.
There doesn't appear to be much interest in Jack Johnson on this forum and with your presence here that's probably just as well.FINIS

Johnson's arm eventually slips down on to his forhead as he slipped into unconscious. The shading his eye from the sun was part of JJ's BS (I threw the fight) story which he began in 1920 upon returning to the States to serve out his year.

The Sims Act had kept the film out of the country unti1939 (officially anyway) and the single frame of film that served as the infamous still photo of the knockdown caught JJ in the process of falling. Both his arm and legs (supposedly being held up off the hot canvas) slipped down into complete unconscious.

In viewing the entire film and therefore the actual KO -- JJ's arm only swings pass his eyes, it is never used to shade them. (It is much like the famous photo of Ali taunting Listion (II) - Ali's arm is cuaht in mid swing.)

What year was this written because the inclusion of the 'shading his eyes' line cast some doubt on its validity.

Although I found the fight's account quite accurate when laid agsinst the film.

IMHO The swallowed teeth line sounds like more JJ BS but I guess we will never know for sure. Is there at least one still photo of JJ temporarily toothless?

[Dr. Z]

Johnson beat the following men who were definitely not "short".
Felix 6' 3"
Ferguson 6' 3 1/2"
Martin 6'31/2"
Jeffords 6' 4"
Kaufman 6'1"
Russell 6'3"
Klon***e 6'0"
McCormick 6'21/2" Johnson signed to defend against Mcvey and Langford in Australia the fights were called off when he jumped bail and public opinion turned against him.
Johnson signed to defend against Jeannette twice in NY the NY AC vetoed the fights and threatened any promoter who put them on with the suspension of his licence.
Johnson sustained a broken arm in the Battling Jim fight and was never in danger of being stopped.
Johnson had been out of the ring for a year and a half.His challenger Battling Jim Johnson was certainly a real heavyweight he scaled 222 3/4lbs for that fight!

Harry Wills was a sparring partner for Johnson Johnson let him go as he said at that stage of his career Wills wasnt capable of giving him a hard workout.

https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php?title=Human:11646
You've been peddling these lies for years and have been banned permanently from sites for doing so.
I guess its now so ingrained in you it's become a Pavlovian Reflex now.

Sincere request. Don't monopolise and **** this forum up with your hate agenda like you did Boxing24, the posters here aren't interested! Get some help!

And the records of the men ****** big time, except for Martin who had an egg chin and the internet chin police would be one him if he were around today. Yet you don't list them, to remind us all how they ******, Very honest if you. Listing a Klon***e doesn't help Johnson, he ko'd him and drew with Johnson, Battling Jim should have award the decision over Jack Johnson. But it was ruled a draw in a fight where two judges did not what do, and the other judge voted for balloting Jim. Yes- Jack Johnson was in danger of being stopped. Read the reports, it says so, and he hurt his arm in a fall late in the fight.

He also low blowed Jeanette badly is a DQ loss where he somehow retained his colored title.

You really don't do a good job being an advocate for Johnson do you " McVey " Same mis information and lack or reading from you. Don't worry I have no plans of monopolizing the board here, and you are banned at ******** boxing several times under poster names / accounts.

[QueensburyRules]

• Klitschko was pilloried by some members of the media and many boxing fans for his excessive clinching during the fight and even he admitted it wasn't his finest performance. Kubrat Pulev would pay the price for Wlad's bruised ego.
  
• Dan Rafael of ESPN.com reported:

Povetkin's game plan seemed simply to rush Klitschko and try to land one big overhand right, which he stopped trying to do by the middle rounds after tasting Klitschko's power. For the first few rounds, he was trying to rough up Klitschko and did make him a bit uncomfortable, but Klitschko did what his late, great trainer Emanuel Steward had taught him to do so effectively, the same strategy Steward had taught Hall of Fame former champ Lennox Lewis: to use his size advantage to tie up his opponent and to lean on him to sap his energy. Klitschko often uses the strategy of punching and then tying up, especially early in a fight. But against Povetkin, it was Klitschko's primary weapon and it made for an ugly fight.Referee Luis Pabon, who received heavy criticism for the way he handled Povetkin's fight last year with Marco Huck, allowed Klitschko to d**** himself all over Povetkin after almost every punch. No warnings or point deductions for repeated infractions that made the fight almost unwatchable.

- - Fat Dan...snickers!!!

[Ivich]

And the records of the men ****** big time, except for Martin who had an egg chin and the internet chin police would be one him if he were around today. Yet you don't list them, to remind us all how they ******, Very honest if you. Listing a Klon***e doesn't help Johnson, he ko'd him and drew with Johnson, Battling Jim should have award the decision over Jack Johnson. But it was ruled a draw in a fight where two judges did not what do, and the other judge voted for balloting Jim. Yes- Jack Johnson was in danger of being stopped. Read the reports, it says so, and he hurt his arm in a fall late in the fight.

He also low blowed Jeanette badly is a DQ loss where he somehow retained his colored title.

You really don't do a good job being an advocate for Johnson do you " McVey " Same mis information and lack or reading from you. Don't worry I have no plans of monopolizing the board here, and you are banned at ******** boxing several times under poster names / accounts.

I could post ringside accounts that prove Johnson broke his arm in the third round and photos of his arm in plaster after the fight.Johnson finished the stronger of the two and you have been corrected on this several times.

Here is a brief summary.
Jack Johnson, the heavyweight champion, and Battling Jim Johnson, another colored pugilist, of Galveston, Texas, met in a ten-round contest here to-night, which ended in a draw. The spectators loudly protested throughout that the men were not fighting, and demanded their money back. Many of them left the hall. The organizers of the fight explained the fiasco by asserting that Jack Johnson's left arm was broken in the third round. During the first three rounds he was obviously playing with his opponent. After that it was observed that he was only using his right hand. When the fight was over he complained that his arm had been injured. Doctors who made an examination certified to a slight fracture of the radius of the left arm. The general opinion is that his arm was injured in a wrestling match early in the week, and that a blow to-night caused the fracture of the bone."


The Jeannette DSQ was controversial and happened early in the fight the 2nd, round when Johnson was in control of the action ,what would be his motive for fouling a man he was beating, had beaten before and had floored numerous times in doing so?
This brief summary will do.

"After outclassing Joe Jeanette for a round and a half, Jack Johnson, The Negro Heavyweight Champion of the World, lost the bout at the National Athletic Club last night on an alleged foul.Jeanette, after being thumped in lively fashion in the first round, assumed a crouching pose in the second round. He undertook to run in and clinch, ducking a vicious left hand swing. Johnson ripped a right hand hook up for Jeanette's jaw. The latter dropped to the floor, writhing in apparent agony. He claimed to have been struck a foul blow."

I could post the offers to defend against Langford,McVey and Jeannette that Johnson accepted and signed for ,the purse money ,the locations , promoters, and the statements from the promoters and Athletic Commissions why those fights did not go ahead but you already know I have this information and you've been shown it many many times on forums ,been shown it and ignored it!

I could post a statement from Jeannette in which he lays the blame for the two attempts to hold a title fight between himself and Johnson in NY failing , squarely on the NYAC and states in the newspaper ," I do not blame Jack for this"
Saying Johnson avoided Wills has as much substance as saying Marciano avoided Liston,and is just as ******!
I posted those names ,to which you can add Frank Moran,6'1" ,to disprove your idiotic stance that Johnson was only successful at clinching against smaller shorter men.There are of course many more that he beat ,after he lost his title that were considerably bigger than himself too .Guys like
Lester 6'3 1/2"
Lodge 6'4"
Cowler 6'2"
I'm not banned anywhere. I posted on 2 other forums last week .I'm only an advocate of the truth and you are a proven liar who was called many times for your lies on Classic and permanently banned for them.
Posters here will make up there own minds about you in the course of time.
As there seems to be no real interest in Jack Johnson,here you may get a pretty good run before you are exposed.
I'll warn the forum now that two of your other hate hobby horses are Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali and you miss no opportunity to denigrate and tear them down.You've already started on Joe Louis, accusing him of lying and cheating!
As for me I despise you for the way you have performed in the past.You have no honour,no principles,and no guts.

I've no wish to engage with you further so just cease spreading these lies and all will be well.
Now I'm done with you.

[Ivich]

Johnson's arm eventually slips down on to his forhead as he slipped into unconscious. The shading his eye from the sun was part of JJ's BS (I threw the fight) story which he began in 1920 upon returning to the States to serve out his year.

The Sims Act had kept the film out of the country unti1939 (officially anyway) and the single frame of film that served as the infamous still photo of the knockdown caught JJ in the process of falling. Both his arm and legs (supposedly being held up off the hot canvas) slipped down into complete unconscious.

In viewing the entire film and therefore the actual KO -- JJ's arm only swings pass his eyes, it is never used to shade them. (It is much like the famous photo of Ali taunting Listion (II) - Ali's arm is cuaht in mid swing.)

What year was this written because the inclusion of the 'shading his eyes' line cast some doubt on its validity.

Although I found the fight's account quite accurate when laid agsinst the film.

IMHO The swallowed teeth line sounds like more JJ BS but I guess we will never know for sure. Is there at least one still photo of JJ temporarily toothless?

"At Reno ,after I had beaten Jeffries,I asked you to let the Californian down easy,and you did,but accorded me all the credit I deserved.Now let me down easy.
I was sure my experience and generalship would be too much for Willard,but I was mistaken .
There is not another man in the world who could have stood twenty six rounds with that youngster today.
He gave me a beating ,but I took his blows without wincing,and he can hit" Johnson.New York Tribune April 6th 1915.
Johnson actually claimed the fight was fixed in 1916,
" I say now that there is not man breathing whom I think I could not beat.These may be big words
My fight with Willard was a financial proposition.But the story goes back some way.
Well they promised me if that I I would be allowed to see my old Mother who couldn't travel to see me.
I would have my motorcars and other property restored to me,it sounded very attractive but they played the double cross on me." This article appeared in the Feb 3rd 1916 edition of the New York World under the heading."Why Johnson Faked Fight With Willard".


March 1919 Johnson issued a statement saying the Wiilard fight was fixed for Willard to win in the 10th round,but that Willard made such a poor showing and did so little it was neccesary to wait.
" This talk about it being a fake is ridiculous.The fact that it went 26 rounds proves that.If Johnson was going to quit in a frame up,he would have done it long before the 26th.It's nonsense to think of the fight as being fixed".
"Jack Johnson would rather be champion of the world than President of the United States,I really believe ,and no amount of money would induce him to part with that title" Jim Jeffries Los Angeles Daily Times April 6th 1915.

[Willie Pep 229]

"At Reno ,after I had beaten Jeffries,I asked you to let the Californian down easy,and you did,but accorded me all the credit I deserved.Now let me down easy.
I was sure my experience and generalship would be too much for Willard,but I was mistaken .
There is not another man in the world who could have stood twenty six rounds with that youngster today.
He gave me a beating ,but I took his blows without wincing,and he can hit" Johnson.New York Tribune April 6th 1915.
Johnson actually claimed the fight was fixed in 1916,
" I say now that there is not man breathing whom I think I could not beat.These may be big words
My fight with Willard was a financial proposition.But the story goes back some way.
Well they promised me if that I I would be allowed to see my old Mother who couldn't travel to see me.
I would have my motorcars and other property restored to me,it sounded very attractive but they played the double cross on me." This article appeared in the Feb 3rd 1916 edition of the New York World under the heading."Why Johnson Faked Fight With Willard".


March 1919 Johnson issued a statement saying the Wiilard fight was fixed for Willard to win in the 10th round,but that Willard made such a poor showing and did so little it was neccesary to wait.
" This talk about it being a fake is ridiculous.The fact that it went 26 rounds proves that.If Johnson was going to quit on frame up,he would have done it long before the 26th.It's nonsense to think of the fight as being fixed".
"Jack Johnson would rather be champion of the world than President of the United States,I really believe ,and no amount of money would induce him to part with that title" Jim Jeffries Los Angeles Daily Times April 6th 1915.

Johnson was the type of man who would rather be remembered as someone who dealt away the title than live with believing he was beat.

The telling round is the 25th. Johnson throws one half hearted punch. Otherwise he can't rsise his arms let alone throw a meaningful blow.

He was finished, exhausted, the 26th was just Johnson's decision (to his credit) to go out like a champion. A modern corner would have stopped the fight after the 25th, he was no longer competitive.

Too bad he couldn't find it in himself to accept that he did what he could and went out like a ture champion.

Not surprisingly the day after the fight he accepted the reality of it all, but a year later he talked himself out of it.

The idea that a deal was on the table looks like nonsense. He ends up coming back to the States, broke, in 1920, and still ended up having to serve the year on the trumped up Mann Act charge.

Plus his constant banter about shading his eyes from the sun and keeping his legs up off the hot canvas was exposed as lies once the world got to see the full fight in 1939. He made quite good on floating that lie based on the one frame (photo) the newspapers guys were able to get into the country in 1915. (The Sims act only applied to moving pictures and couldn't keep out the still photo.)

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Johnson was the type of man who would rather be remembered as someone who dealt away the title than live with believing he was beat.

The telling round is the 25th. Johnson throws one half hearted punch. Otherwise he can't rsise his arms let alone throw a meaningful blow.but

He was finished, exhausted, the 26th was just Johnson's decision (to his credit) to go out like a champion. A modern corner would have stopped the fight after the 25th, he was no longer competitive.

Too bad he couldn't find it in himself to accept that he did what he could and went out like a ture champion.

Not surprisingly the day after the fight he accepted the reality of it all, but a year later he talked himself out of it.

The idea that a deal was on the table looks like nonsense. He ends up coming back to the States, broke, in 1920, and still ended up having to serve the year on the trumped up Mann Act charge.

Plus his constant banter about shading his eyes from the sun and keeping his legs up off the hot canvas was exposed as lies once the world got to see the full fight in 1939. He made quite good on floating that lie based on the one frame (photo) the newspapers guys were able to get into the country in 1915. (The Sims act only applied to moving pictures and couldn't keep out the still photo.)

- - Pep, nobody has beat up on the legend of JJ than I, but over the years, he was a man of his times and had a native intelligence that allowed him to maneuver people for his own benefit, not the least being ol' Nat who ran interference for him often.

101st anniversary of JJ vs Dempsey this December in the bitter winter of Saskatoon, so what's yer call?


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