Interesting article concerning Jack Johnson.

[HOUDINI563]

The surviving film which has many rounds shown shows Willard doing and winning rounds way before the knockdown. Johnson is the better on the inside Willard the better on the outside. Too much focus is on round 26th round and Johnson fake claim he took a dive. Round 25 shows Willard had Johnson hurting badly for a body shot. He wasn't acting these. He was hit, tried to cinch Willard to break his fall, and flat out his back under a hot ring mat. He wasn't faking that time either. He was counted out. If you haven't seen the other rounds shown, you should. Johnson power worked only on super middle weight types, short men, and old and tired men. Willard who lacked skill in general however was neither.

The referee as well as many writers who were eye witnesses stated after the bout that had the fight been for 20 rounds Johnson would have received the decision.

[Willie Pep 229]

The referee as well as many writers who were eye witnesses stated after the bout that had the fight been for 20 rounds Johnson would have received the decision.

How can they be sure Willard doesn't fight a different fight if he knows he doesn't have to go 45 rounds?

[Ivich]

How can they be sure Willard doesn't fight a different fight if he knows he doesn't have to go 45 rounds?

They cant ,but the referee can only judge on what he has actually seen can't he?
How often did Willard go for broke against decent opposition?

[Willie Pep 229]

They cant ,bu the referee can only judge on what he has actually seen can't he
.Ever read about a fight in which Big Jess takes the action to his opponent looking for the early stoppage?

True The Potawatomi Giant was no Tyson that's for sure. A early bitz was something an opponent need not worried about. But for both of us it can only be conjecture.

You first sentence is irrelevant to my point.

Yes a referee can only judge on what he sees. But would he have seen something different, if it was scheduled for 12 rounds, is the issue (Dempsey-Willard).

[Ivich]

True The Potawatomi Giant was no Tyson that's for sure. A early bitz was something an opponent need not worried about. But for both of us it can only be conjecture.

You first sentence is irrelevant to my point.

Yes a referee can only judge on what he sees. But would he have seen something different, if it was scheduled for 12 rounds, is the issue (Dempsey-Willard).

In 1915 over 12 rds Johnson was still too much for anyone imo .



Johnson comfortably beat Moran, I have the fight round by round reports. There is some BS posted on this forum!

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• The St. Petersburg Daily Times reported the following on June 28, 1914:

The battle was hard fought, but Johnson won easily. Moran was game and stubborn and did most of the leading. Johnson's superior skill was effective and his upper-cutting wore Moran down and won the contest. . . . There were no knockdowns, or anything resembling a finishing blow in the fight. At the close Moran's face was bleeding from a cut under the nose and left eye. Johnson showed no marks.

When the fight took place, before a fashionable audience at the Vélodrome d'Hiver, McKetrick saw he had been terribly mistaken about Moran's chances. It was true that Johnson was not in first-rate condition, but his superlative defense held up, and he was able to evade the dreaded Mary Ann and give Moran a severe beating without the full use of his left arm. Johnson had a rather preoccupied air, for he had heard rumors of writs and lawyers and knew but too well that this always meant trouble. And, as he feared, he was told after the fight that French police had grabbed the money and taken it away.

From "Jack And The Game" by Finis Farr, Sports Illustrated, June 22, 1959:
The first Johnson biography I read.

Botom Line.
35 years old Johnson, carrying14 lbs of flab around his hips and arse ,still had too much for Moran and beat him comfortably over 20rds

[QueensburyRules]

In 1915 over 12 rds Johnson was still too much for anyone imo .

- - 1913

• A cabled article printed in the Evening World (New York City) stated:

Jack Johnson barely missed losing his heavyweight championship in a ten round bout here last night. Jeffries' conqueror met Battling Jim Johnson, a big negro from Memphis Tenn. and barely lasted through the final round. He was tottering and groggy at the finish. A few rounds more and he might have been knocked out. . . . In the last minute of the fight the Memphis negro rushed Johnson to the ropes and in a mixup both went to the floor, with Jack's arm around Jim's waist. Both were on their feet quickly but Jack looked exhausted just as the final bell rang. It is possible that Jack hurt his arm in the fall to the floor. . . . In the seventh round the Memphis man succeeded in breaking down Jack's guard and three times after landing on the body grazed Jack's jaw with terrific uppercuts

1914 lucky to nick a 20 round decision over Frank Moran.

Willard, Langford, Jeannette, all better, much better than the above.

[GhostofDempsey]

The referee as well as many writers who were eye witnesses stated after the bout that had the fight been for 20 rounds Johnson would have received the decision.

If the dog didn't stop to take a dump, he would have caught the rabbit. What's your point? Willard paced himself for a longer fight, what if he paced himself for 20 rounds?