In his prime how good do you feel Joe Frazier was?

[StarshipTrooper]

An author always has an opinion for sure.
An agenda? Some maybe do but not all.

Well, we certainly know certain POSTERS have an agenda (Mac******Limey for example) now don't we

Poet

[JAB5239]

Why would I want anyone to agree with me? I have my own opinions and thoughts and could care less who shares them.

I'm glad others don't share my opinions,Having someone else agree with an opinion doesn't make it anymore legitimate.

Goes towards the credibility of the topic, credibility you don't have around here.

[JudeTheObscure]

He was good enough to take Ali to the limit, which means he was great.

Believe me, Frazier is/was underrated. But put him up against his era. He was essential, even when he lost. You couldn't have the epic Ali saga, or even George Frazier's redemption decades later, if Joe hadn't lost at pivotal moments.

Have had the privledge of seeing the great man himself at his now-closed gym in Philadelphia- can't say enough good things about "Smokin' Joe".

[pacmanis1]

anyone who would deny fraizers greatness is an idiot. that left hook that took ali down in the first fight is what wet dreams are made of.

[BigMacFoster]

He was good enough to take Ali to the limit, which means he was great.

Leon Spinks beat Ali alot more convincingly then frazier ever did,Where does Neon Leon's claim to greatness come in here?

anyone who would deny fraizers greatness is an idiot. that left hook that took ali down in the first fight is what wet dreams are made of.

Interesting,Have you actually seen any other footage of frazier that isn't linked to Ali or do you go along with what others say?

Goes towards the credibility of the topic, credibility you don't have around here.

The sad thing is,You actually believe what you claim,There is nothing legitimate about E-credit

[sonnyboyx2]

Leon Spinks beat Ali alot more convincingly then frazier ever did,Where does Neon Leon's claim to greatness come in here?




Interesting,Have you actually seen any other footage of frazier that isn't linked to Ali or do you go along with what others say?







The sad thing is,You actually believe what you claim,There is nothing legitimate about E-credit

Spinks Never beat Muhammad Ali more convincingly than Joe Frazier did, Spinks beat an old Muhammad Ali by split-decision, Joe Frazier beat Ali by unanimous decision..

I have 21 fights of Frazier on DVD.. Frazier was Fighter of the Year 3 times and involved in Fight of the year 4 Times, it is not Fraziers 3 great fights with Muhammad Ali that make Frazier a great fighter, he also had great fights with Jerry Quarry (twice) Bonavena (twice) Ellis (twice) Mathis, Stander, Bugner, Machen and Bob Foster

[JAB5239]

The sad thing is,You actually believe what you claim,There is nothing legitimate about E-credit

Yeah, yeah Piss****** I know. Just like all the boxing experts and historians who rank Frazier a great fighter are wrong, but you're right. You're a laughingstock around here, but go ahead, believe and argue whatever you want. Real fans know the truth.

[JAB5239]

Spinks Never beat Muhammad Ali more convincingly than Joe Frazier did, Spinks beat an old Muhammad Ali by split-decision, Joe Frazier beat Ali by unanimous decision..

Ali was also in his 18th year as a professional and been thru wars.

Piss****** doesn't get that Frazier took on almost all the top fighters from his era and holds wins against all but Foreman. He doesn't want to give Joe credit for this, but wants to detract from his legacy because he never fought a green Lyle, who he had no reason or obligation to fight, or Mac Foster, who lost his chance at a title shot by getting beat up twice (Quarry and Ali) by fighters Frazier had already defeated. He doesn't understand those losses set Foster back in the ratings. Piss****** doesn't get a lot of things when he's trying to push his agenda on you.

[BigMacFoster]

Spinks Never beat Muhammad Ali more convincingly than Joe Frazier did, Spinks beat an old Muhammad Ali by split-decision, Joe Frazier beat Ali by unanimous decision..

I have 21 fights of Frazier on DVD.. Frazier was Fighter of the Year 3 times and involved in Fight of the year 4 Times, it is not Fraziers 3 great fights with Muhammad Ali that make Frazier a great fighter, he also had great fights with Jerry Quarry (twice) Bonavena (twice) Ellis (twice) Mathis, Stander, Bugner, Machen and Bob Foster

Apparently since you have so many fights then I suggest you actually start watching them,because only a person who looks up the result on the internet and who hasn't watched Ali-Spinks 1 could look at the decision and honestly believe it was close enough for one judge to actually score the fight for Ali.


The fight wasn't remotely close,Ali at best won five rounds,He recieved the greatest whoopin of his career until he fought Larry Holmes.

Don't ever list Ron Stander as a legitimate win for a world champion either.

Ali was also in his 18th year as a professional and been thru wars.

Piss****** doesn't get that Frazier took on almost all the top fighters from his era and holds wins against all but Foreman. He doesn't want to give Joe credit for this, but wants to detract from his legacy because he never fought a green Lyle, who he had no reason or obligation to fight, or Mac Foster, who lost his chance at a title shot by getting beat up twice (Quarry and Ali) by fighters Frazier had already defeated. He doesn't understand those losses set Foster back in the ratings. Piss****** doesn't get a lot of things when he's trying to push his agenda on you.

What wars had Ali been in?

Don't mistake willingly taking punches as to going to war,Ali of the 1970's was a fat,lazy slob,Who used his ability to take a punch and wore out his opponents by encouraging them to punch themselves out against them

Punching Ali probably hurt his opponent more than it hurt Ali.


How on earth you can claim Frazier ever came close to taking on almost every top contender of his era is laughable.

Frazier in his prime was fighting just twice a year,A real great fighter(especially in the era of which he fought) doesn't limit their schedule like that,And it's not like he was fighting the two best heavyweights each year either.


Yes,Ron Lyle was never at any point a relevant factor,Not when he was the hottest thing in the division in 1972 nor in 1975 when he was challenging for a world title.

I also suggest you wipe the **** out of your eyes and actually read my posts rather than twist them to fit your own agenda.


I already stated(for the 100th time) foster wasn't in line for a title shot after being defeated by both Quarry and Ali,Yet you continually bring it up.

Oviously foster would have gotten a shot had beaten Quarry,Just like Ali recieved a rematch and a title shot when he beat Quarry.

[TheGreatA]

What wars had Ali been in?

Don't mistake willingly taking punches as to going to war,Ali of the 1970's was a fat,lazy slob,Who used his ability to take a punch and wore out his opponents by encouraging them to punch themselves out against them

Punching Ali probably hurt his opponent more than it hurt Ali.