In his prime how good do you feel Joe Frazier was?

[boxingbuff]

Frazier would have gave anyone a run for their money except Foreman of course. Just a bad matchup for him

Forman and Sonny Liston.These type of fighters would always destroy Joe Frazier.

But against other great HW's like Ali,Holmes,and Tunney he would beat.

In fact,only Forman,Frazier,and maybe Joe Louis would beat him.

He was a great,great fighter!

[Bushidō]

Frazier at his best would've given any heavyweight throughout history a fight, win or lose.

Yeah I don't know how anyone can argue this. (if you forget about the Foreman fight. just a bad matchup for him)

[Bushidō]

You're an idiot that has zero proof that Frazier avoided Lyle or Foster, intentional or otherwise. One fighter was green and unproven, the other lost his chance when he was beat by Quarry. Neither were ever in a mandatory position to challenge Frazier, therefore there was no "duck". Just because Frazier COULD have fought them doesn't mean he should have or had any obligation to. You don't seem to understand that and want to make up your own definition of what it means for one fighter to avoid another. You are seriously pathetic.

Ownedddddddddddd. nice post

[Numa]

Tough as nails. Wasn't a fan of his fighting style though.

[JAB5239]

Jabs you have just owned mac foster! have some k man!

Ownedddddddddddd. nice post

Thank you gentlemen.

[BigMacFoster]

You're an idiot that has zero proof that Frazier avoided Lyle or Foster, intentional or otherwise. One fighter was green and unproven, the other lost his chance when he was beat by Quarry. Neither were ever in a mandatory position to challenge Frazier, therefore there was no "duck". Just because Frazier COULD have fought them doesn't mean he should have or had any obligation to. You don't seem to understand that and want to make up your own definition of what it means for one fighter to avoid another. You are seriously pathetic.

Somebody doesn't know the difference between ducking and avoiding and it really is getting annoying.

Very few champions legitimately duck opponents,Most legitimate ducks are the cause of unworthy mandatory challengers.


Could Lyle vs Frazier have happened when Frazier was champion and when he wasn't? Yes,Most certainly.

Could Mac Foster vs Frazier have happened during the first half of 1970? Yes and it was expected to happen.

Frazier at his best would've given any heavyweight throughout history a fight, win or lose.

Except George Foreman,Rid**** Bowe,Sonny Liston,Mike Tyson and Joe Louis

Agreed, Frazier was a true warrior who doesn't seem to get a lot of respect these days.
Only 2 men to beat him were top 10 ATG HW's think that says enough really.

Apart from me,Where does he fail to get respect? The guy just got his own documentary dedicated to carving up the legacy of his long time rival,HBO certainly respected Frazier enough to air this documentary,Ignorant casual,boxing fans respected Frazier enough to believe that he really was the victim they tried to portray him as

Frazier had a chin made of `Granite`knocked to the canvas 6 times by a Peak George Foreman even lifted off the floor by the most savage punch in boxing history yet was up on his feet at the count of 3 ... Frazier was `Stopped` by Foreman NOT KOd.. No other fighter in boxing history could have gotten to his feet after such awesome punches as Frazier took

No fighter with a granite chin ever got put down six times inside of two rounds.A guy with a granite chin doesn't get put down eleven times during his career.

Odd that you label Lennox Lewis as glass jawed yet claim Frazier had a great chin.

Larry Holmes said in his autobiography that Joe Frazier would "Bomb-Out" Mike Tyson & Lennox Lewis in less than 2rds, Holmes said,"Holyfield would be too brave for his own good against Frazier and would be KOd within 4rds..... Smokin`Joe Frazier was one of the greats.

You would think a legitimate world class boxer like Larry Holmes would know better.Holmes is the kind of guy who would say "Ali hit him harder,Than Mike Tyson ever did"

Jabs you have just owned mac foster! have some k man!

So this is another one of my alts. I wish BPP could just confrim that I am no one's alt and the reason havent been on here lately is because my Internet has been playing up.

Foster everyone knows you and Slimey Limey are a alts. No one likes you round here, u don't know nothing about boxing or mma.

You always say how gay mma is and start threads about how the forum should be shut down, but yet you start threads in there wanting to discuss it?

Get a life you sad piece of ****!

I don't see why you had to log into different accounts to make notes of my posts,That is rather sad.


I have nothing to hide fella,I know how many accounts I have on this forum(the only forum I post on).

Can the same be said for you?

Cry us a river and sc**** the sand out of you vagina poopsykins

Yeah I don't know how anyone can argue this. (if you forget about the Foreman fight. just a bad matchup for him)

Or perhaps Foreman was just that much better than him.Oh I am sorry,I forgot,Frazier was washed up when Foreman got to him,He never beat Frazier in his prime like Frazier beat a prime,in-ring shape Ali

Ownedddddddddddd. nice post

If it makes you feel any better,Just be grateful that you don't know anything about Frazier and that era to know the real truth.

Thank you gentlemen.

Is this the same kind of E-respect you talked of in the past? Do you tell your family how much respect you have garnered over the internet forums?

[JAB5239]

[QUOTE]

Somebody doesn't know the difference between ducking and avoiding and it really is getting annoying.

Very few champions legitimately duck opponents,Most legitimate ducks are the cause of unworthy mandatory challengers.

Go ahead Piss******, (sigh) explain your definition of "ducking" and your definition of "avoiding". We'll all be anxiously waiting.

Could Lyle vs Frazier have happened when Frazier was champion and when he wasn't? Yes,Most certainly.

So what. As I already stated Lyle was unproven and green, and Frazier had no reason nor obligation to fight him.

Could Mac Foster vs Frazier have happened during the first half of 1970? Yes and it was expected to happen.

He lost to Quarry, end of story. Nobody expected it after that. Back to the drawing board son.

[ßringer]

I've never understood why a lot of modern day fans seem to never give Frazier anywhere near the amount of credit he deserves. He seems quite hated at times and I can't fathom why.

If you're a fan of this sport and you wanted to build a fan friendly fighter, someone you wouldn't min dpaying to see ; Joe Frazier is one of the first fighters that springs to my mind.

How good do I think he was? Good enough to be one of the top 10 Heavyweights of all time. And I think that says enough, right there.

[BigMacFoster]

Go ahead Piss******, (sigh) explain your definition of "ducking" and your definition of "avoiding". We'll all be anxiously waiting.

Ducking - To evade; dodge: duck responsibility; To evade a responsibility or obligation

Avoiding - To stay clear of; shun; To keep from happening

Such definitions can be found over the intenet,Pal.It really doesn't take a genius to tell the difference between the two especially in a boxing sense.

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So what. As I already stated Lyle was unproven and green, and Frazier had no reason nor obligation to fight him.

Which hadn't prevented frazier from defending his titles against two no hopers in Terry Daniels and Ron Stander.

Stop resorting back to the ducking argument,I've already explained this.

Ron Lyle was a top heavyweight from 1972 to 1976,Around the same amount of time frazier was still relevant to the heavyweight division.No fight?
I wonder why......

[He lost to Quarry, end of story. Nobody expected it after that. Back to the drawing board son.

Please do present the argument that I gave for foster being in position to fight frazier after he lost to Quarry.

Did I ever give such an argument? I don't think I did,Lay off the fairy cakes son.

I've never understood why a lot of modern day fans seem to never give Frazier anywhere near the amount of credit he deserves. He seems quite hated at times and I can't fathom why.

To hate a subject,You must have to invest emotional time into it,I doubt most modern fans care enough for Joe frazier to actually hate him.

He get's more credit than he deserves and for you to try and portray him as underrated,unappreciated former champion shows what the powers of a documentary can do to the mind of an ignoramus.

How good do I think he was? Good enough to be one of the top 10 Heavyweights of all time. And I think that says enough, right there.

It does say enough,It says enough about you and how delusional you are.

[Silencers]

Except George Foreman,Rid**** Bowe,Sonny Liston,Mike Tyson and Joe Louis

Nope. Anyone. Even though Foreman was and always would've been a bad stylistic matchup for him he would've given Foreman a fight at his best, not to make excuses but he really wasn't the same after the first Ali fight.