Which fighter in history has the greatest positive discrepancy between their resume and how good they actually were?

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  • Ivich
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    #11
    Originally posted by billeau2
    The most obvious would be Vitalie Klitsko. Better than his brother, more of a killer instinct. Just never fought anyone worth a shiat until he fought Lewis and Lewis was better.
    The only thing Vitali had over his brother was his chin imo.Wlad had a great jab, terrific left hook, and an all time right hand all were superior to Vitali's .Vitali had a top chin and was a fine judge of distance, he also was something of an arm puncher and had leaden footwork.
    Last edited by Ivich; 04-28-2022, 02:38 PM.

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      #12
      Originally posted by Tatabanya
      I've always thought that John Mugabi was a great fighter overall, not only a puncher. He also had excellent skills. He should have won more titles than he did, and is often overlooked in the considerations of historians and experts.
      I suppose we all have different definitions of what constitutes a "great fighter".

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      • Tatabanya
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        #13
        Originally posted by Ivich

        I suppose we all have different definitions of what constitutes a "great fighter".
        Yes, of course. Otherwise, it would be a very boring world, everybody stating the same things over and over again.

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          #14
          Originally posted by BattlingNelson
          Pauline Malinaggi
          Lennox Lewis
          Forget this. I misread the question.

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          • billeau2
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            #15
            Originally posted by Ivich

            The only thing Vitali had over his brother was his chin imo.Wlad had a great jab, terrific left hook, and an all time right hand all were superior to Vitali's .Vitali had a top chin and was a fine judge of distance, he also was something of an arm puncher and had leaden footwork.
            He also had more of a fighter's instinct and there were the intangibles. Neither brother has much footwork.

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            • Ivich
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              #16
              Originally posted by billeau2

              He also had more of a fighter's instinct and there were the intangibles. Neither brother has much footwork.
              Yes I would give you the instinct .Wlad actually has good footwork especially for his size.

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                #17
                Joe Calzaghe.
                GGG.

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                • QueensburyRules
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by billeau2

                  He also had more of a fighter's instinct and there were the intangibles. Neither brother has much footwork.
                  - - Better footwork than Ali who used to skeeter around dangerous opponents for many rounds before swooping in for a fight.

                  Ks controlled the pocket with footwork where they were most in their own punching range while being outside the range their opponents.

                  It's like U was born yesterday.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Ivich

                    The only thing Vitali had over his brother was his chin imo.Wlad had a great jab, terrific left hook, and an all time right hand all were superior to Vitali's .Vitali had a top chin and was a fine judge of distance, he also was something of an arm puncher and had leaden footwork.
                    I agree. Pele Reid once clipped a very young, very skinny pre-Boxing days Vitali with a nice flush kick and sent him down, prompting the coaches to stop the action, so the chin isn't iron; but it developed as he grew up. His resume isn't at all in the same league as his brother's.

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                      Resumes are tricky on the surface. Take a fighter like Emile Griffith. In his 112 fights, he lost 23 of them, which sounds like a lot, but you have to consider he lost more than half of those when he was past his prime. Then you have Sammy Angott, 29 losses against 94 wins, but he took on the toughest fights available and often challenged himself against larger opponents. Fritzie Zivic was another underrated fighter with a very inconsistent resume, 65 losses against 158 wins...he was not an easy fight for anyone, and he fought across multiple weight classes. Took several dives as well. Joey Maxim deserves a mention here. He was 83-29-4, but he went the distance several times with greats like Moore, Charles, Walcott, he also had wins over Walcott, Robinson, Bivins, and Patterson. Only KO'd once in his career.

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