Ukraine, Klitschko’s, appreciation

[Willie Pep 229]

I was and still am against the tabloids counting Wald's Russian CKs for fear of maltreatment if ever taken prisoner . . . Yet here I am shamelessly asking if there is any news of the Brothers K, Usyk, or Lomachenko's participation?

[QueensburyRules]

- - Had the 2nd of two high level meetings with the Russians. Continuing on that path leads to peace, but reports are the Russians control 4 Ukrainian Nuke power plants.

That may be the key to the conflict, that the Uks were putting together Nukes for bombs. We shall see as thus far the fog of war when clearing has revealed no more than the usual death and destruction.

[Willie Pep 229]

- - Had the 2nd of two high level meetings with the Russians. Continuing on that path leads to peace, but reports are the Russians control 4 Ukrainian Nuke power plants.

That may be the key to the conflict, that the Uks were putting together Nukes for bombs. We shall see as thus far the fog of war when clearing has revealed no more than the usual death and destruction.

I don't think there is a direct connection between nuclear power plants and building nuke weapons. This is not to say that UKr isn't attempting to built such weapons - but taking control of the power plants under that argument is Russian BS, or more likely Fox New BS.

It looks like Fox News is ready to make the pro Russian anti Ukrainian move; throwing out anti Zelensky rhetoric and measuring the reaction.

Remember this is the guy (Z) who shamed the lesser god Trump when he tried to tie Ukrainian foreign aide quid pro quo to getting election dirt on *****. Remember the "perfect" phone call?

Anyway neither Trump or ************* have firgotten. They want payback. Plus I honestly think Trump is ***** for *****, and I actually mean *****.

So once again I fear you are hauling water for the right; latest Fox News anti Ukrainian sound bites include, the Ukrainians are: Woke, QAnon ****, housing chemical weapons and now building nukes.

Fox News is positioning itself to at least to be able to go to Trump, with hat on hand, and say "see 'we didn't jump in with both feet, please forgive us oh lord."

P.S. Besides who wants Russian technicians controlling nuclear power plants? LOL They're as incompetent as their tank commanders seem to be.

P.S.S. This reminds me much of the Russian invasion of Findland circa 1940. The Bear is being exposed as not so tough.

[billeau2]

- - Had the 2nd of two high level meetings with the Russians. Continuing on that path leads to peace, but reports are the Russians control 4 Ukrainian Nuke power plants.

That may be the key to the conflict, that the Uks were putting together Nukes for bombs. We shall see as thus far the fog of war when clearing has revealed no more than the usual death and destruction.

Im thinking it through... Its possible Queen B. Why would they bomb a dangerous target like that? Unless there is a real reason that might involve leverage of the sort mentioned?

[Willie Pep 229]

Im thinking it through... Its possible Queen B. Why would they bomb a dangerous target like that? Unless there is a real reason that might involve leverage of the sort mentioned?

To take control of or knock out their power grid!

Why are you trying to make the Ukrainians the villains?

[billeau2]

To take control of or knock out their power grid!

Why are you trying to make the Ukrainians the villains?

I don't think either side is a villian. I stand with the citizens of both nations... Not the corrupt governments on both sides and I do believe that there is an elite, Western interest, minority, very rich and political savy group that is making the war on the side of the Ukrains, and a similar group with high level, financial asperations on the Russian side. Both groups are corrupt, care little about the citizens that just want certain freedoms... Their intentions are to control the political and economic interests of the Ukraine.

The strikes may be a way to control The plants, or give a message across. Of course it could be to take power out as well.

[Willie Pep 229]

I don't think either side is a villian. I stand with the citizens of both nations... Not the corrupt governments on both sides and I do believe that there is an elite, Western interest, minority, very rich and political savy group that is making the war on the side of the Ukrains, and a similar group with high level, financial asperations on the Russian side. Both groups are corrupt, care little about the citizens that just want certain freedoms... Their intentions are to control the political and economic interests of the Ukraine.

The strikes may be a way to control The plants, or give a message across. Of course it could be to take power out as well.

No! This is an act of aggression against (what should be considered a sovereign) Ukraine.

You want to internationalize the event, and make it a condemnation on corrput 'government.'

It is no longer the age of Bismark and 'limited' warfare today is too deadly to be used as a political tactic.

Politics doesn't get ***** off the hook. This is aggression and to look for political excuses is appeasement. IMO

[billeau2]

No! This is an act of aggression against (what should be considered a sovereign) Ukraine.

You want to internationalize the event, and make it a condemnation on corrput 'government.'

It is no longer the age of Bismark and 'limited' warfare today is too deadly to be used as a political tactic.

Politics doesn't get ***** off the hook. This is aggression and to look for political excuses is appeasement. IMO

No... your misreading. Im not talking about a common political narrative that is used to justify aggression... Im talking about real motives. Things that are not known about... like differernt groups under the cover of special interests developing a resource, etc. We know these resources exist and that people will kill for financial gain, thats why wars are fought in the first place.

I don't even think ***** is totally involved on one side... there are Oligarchs with him, Oligarchs that want what he has, etc. and don't misread this and think I am endorsing *****... that unfortunately is the ignorant shiat that posters like Jim, Robbie and Batts have done. This conflict is over resources... follow the money, as M says. Everythng else is simply a pretense and NO I do not think any pretense justifies the means for war.

When you villianize a group you play into propoganda... My opinion is: I want what is best for the citizens that live in these areas, I do not need a bad guy or a good guy here... Well ok... the good guys? are people fighting for their homes and families... But they are fighting against guys who are also forced into a deadly and mindless war.

[QueensburyRules]

I don't think there is a direct connection between nuclear power plants and building nuke weapons. This is not to say that UKr isn't attempting to built such weapons - but taking control of the power plants under that argument is Russian BS, or more likely Fox New BS.

It looks like Fox News is ready to make the pro Russian anti Ukrainian move; throwing out anti Zelensky rhetoric and measuring the reaction.

Remember this is the guy (Z) who shamed the lesser god Trump when he tried to tie Ukrainian foreign aide quid pro quo to getting election dirt on *****. Remember the "perfect" phone call?

Anyway neither Trump or ************* have firgotten. They want payback. Plus I honestly think Trump is ***** for *****, and I actually mean *****.

So once again I fear you are hauling water for the right; latest Fox News anti Ukrainian sound bites include, the Ukrainians are: Woke, QAnon ****, housing chemical weapons and now building nukes.

Fox News is positioning itself to at least to be able to go to Trump, with hat on hand, and say "see 'we didn't jump in with both feet, please forgive us oh lord."

P.S. Besides who wants Russian technicians controlling nuclear power plants? LOL They're as incompetent as their tank commanders seem to be.

P.S.S. This reminds me much of the Russian invasion of Findland circa 1940. The Bear is being exposed as not so tough.

- - Ye aulde pepster feeling extra peppy today is it?

I don't listen to or read any news site, so unclear what you're damning. I do look at various supposed lib/conserve headlines that are specifically crafted as incendiary clickbait.

Logically without use of a Duhmeter, anyone wanting to make a nuclear device first needs a source of materials, and a nuclear powerplant suffices. I have no idea if that is what the UKs are doing or the specific reasons and strategies employed by ***** as to this scenario, but "it happens." Then we have the Hunter ***** Ukrainian Sleazegate.

*****'s father was a War Hero in WW2, yet he has a modest upbringing and career in the Russian Secret Service until that point in time the Soviets ceased to exist. Circumstances led to his relative bloodless ascendency in what could've been another historical bloodbath in Russian history, the right man in the right place in the right moment of time, something western nations have been lacking for quite some time now.

The people would be standing in line for theater tickets or a bus, and all of a sudden ***** might be there waiting his turn as friggin' President of all of Russia, a man born of his people and now reputed as the richest and certainly the most powerful rich man in the world. As mentioned, talks are progressing and soon a solution and folks is gonna have to find a new reason to start a war. Sadly, Usyk is prob considerably less than before and not long for his career IF he survives. Loma too.

[BattlingNelson]