Irish Heavyweight Champions (WIP)

[Marchegiano]

A bunch of stuff I removed for space, was a great post though so if you didn't, scroll up and read it.

I think we have to start over with Yankee. Because I did my research on him back in 2012 and I can tell you just by cursory searching some of the stuff you mentioned has to be worked out from better source material rather than the easy to find stuff like CBZ and Snell. I mean, I have forgotten why I want to say X is the truth and Y is mistaken myself, but X and Y are contradictory.


CBZ says he was born in Brandon, Ireland

Snell says Liverpool, England, but caveats possibly London...England.


That said, I want to tell you Yankee picked up Yankee in Van Diem's Australia. Tazmania. He promoted himself as an American prior to coming to America. But I can't remember where, or why.

Far as birth, I think Yanks was Irish, but again, can't say why I believe this.

I've forgotten and 2012 pre-dates my note taking habits.

anyway, He is one I knew I'd have to sus his story a bit better before I made any attempt to put narrative and finality this list-o-champs

[Willie Pep 229]

I think we have to start over with Yankee. Because I did my research on him back in 2012 and I can tell you just by cursory searching some of the stuff you mentioned has to be worked out from better source material rather than the easy to find stuff like CBZ and Snell. I mean, I have forgotten why I want to say X is the truth and Y is mistaken myself, but X and Y are contradictory.


CBZ says he was born in Brandon, Ireland

Snell says Liverpool, England, but caveats possibly London...England.


That said, I want to tell you Yankee picked up Yankee in Van Diem's Australia. Tazmania. He promoted himself as an American prior to coming to America. But I can't remember where, or why.

Far as birth, I think Yanks was Irish, but again, can't say why I believe this.

I've forgotten and 2012 pre-dates my note taking habits.

anyway, He is one I knew I'd have to sus his story a bit better before I made any attempt to put narrative and finality this list-o-champs

That would explain his use of Yankee if he was passing himself off as an American.

I never meant to suggest thst he wasb't Irish, pretty certain he was just associated with the Nativists.

But he seems somehow connected to the Nativist, because there seems a connection to Poole fighting Morrissey after Sullivan's disqualification. I have run into several sources (I will need to refind) where the they call Poole's challenge to Morrissey a revenge for Sullivsn's defeat.

EDIT: Some of the Irish immigrants threw their lot in with the Nativists against their own kind. E.g. James McParland who went undercover for the Pinkertons and git a whole bunch of Molly McGuires executed.

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That would explain his use of Yankee if he was passing himself off as an American.

I never meant to suggest thst he wasb't Irish, pretty certain he was just associated with the Nativists.

But he seems somehow connected to the Nativist, because there seems a connection to Poole fighting Morrissey after Sullivan's disqualification. I have run into several sources (I will need to refind) where the they call Poole's challenge to Morrissey a revenge for Sullivsn's defeat.

EDIT: Some of the Irish immigrants threw their lot in with the Nativists against their own kind. E.g. James McParland who went undercover for the Pinkertons and git a whole bunch of Molly McGuires executed.

I suprised you made any sense of that garbled mess of a post I had made! Well done.

I had to read that **** twice and ask myself "TF were you trying to say?"

I only meant his birth as an example for contrary info on him and to say since there's so much contrary popping up at me I am not sure I know what I think I know.

So, I think that he played American before coming to America, but have 0 proof at all.

[Willie Pep 229]

I suprised you made any sense of that garbled mess of a post I had made! Well done.

I had to read that **** twice and ask myself "TF were you trying to say?"

I only meant his birth as an example for contrary info on him and to say since there's so much contrary popping up at me I am not sure I know what I think I know.

So, I think that he played American before coming to America, but have 0 proof at all.

We'll keep looking. The name is quite famous but we know little about him.

[Marchegiano]

I have a tidbit. I'm having a hard time with either uploading the PDF or making it into am image so I'll just tell y'all

Public Ledger and Daily Advertiser - Thursday 27 November 1823

Refers to Jack Langan as the Irish champion set to face the English champion Tom Spring.

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Carlisle Patriot - Saturday 31 July 1819



BOXING. Two great meetings took place day, which attracted all the refuse of the great metro- namely, the mob Smithfitld, and the miscellaneous groupe Crawley Common, where Donnelly, the Irish Champion, exhibited fight with Oliver, for two hundred guineas. The light was originally fixed to take place two miles from Imt'thc j/iajiirts belonging to the army occupation found some enemies who that quarter, and make safe, the spot where the battle was fought, eight, miles farther out, was fixed upon—(-rib)) was engaged Noble Lord to second and was the bottle holder. Belcher and seconded whose chief backer was the Sporting Colonel, and the great patron of and the millers, netting to Jonnelly. I _ Ist. Donnelly put himself into good attitude for hitting, with the right shoulder level with the fist, in parallel with the chin. let fly with the left hand away from distance, which brought the men close, and Oliver received some hits, but Donnelly disengaged himself giving his adversary a heavy fall. is superior strength was apparent, and was backed at 7 to 1. 2. Oliver hit the body with the left hand ala but without the force, and Donnelly rushed with much determination here he showed want of science. There was some hugging hitting in the close, and Donnelly threw again. 3. Donnelly missed his hit, and another dose followed; Oliver had the best of the weaving system, and lie threw his adversary upon a balance the lower ropes of the ring Donnelly was undermost upon the giour.d. 4. Oliver retreated the ropes, where Donnelly showed fight, knocked his head against the stake, and threw him heavily. Both were bheding. 5. Donnelly placed left handed blow upon the eye, and it was returned a sharp flush hit upor. the mouth,... which bled freely; by way compliment him a crushing fall and went down upon Idm. 6'. Oliver began show want of condition, and h'j hit short with the left hand upon the body : he received smart hit upon the head, with winch went down, but it was not considered by the umpires knock down blow. 7. Donnelly placed hit upon the head with the left hand, and again threw his man. Some difference occurred between the seconds the manner which the men were entangled the ground, and threatened to give a lick on the head with the ' water bottle. 8. Oliver had evidently ruflered heavily from the falls and he bled profusely. was thrown again. 7to 4> Donnelly. i). Donnelly placed a heavy right handed blow upon his adversary's side, the mark which was visible, and a close Oliver went down from weakness. and 11. Oliver was thrown both rounds after struggling closes without any hitting consequence. 12. (.'liver broke his ground from weakness, and they were alike distressed; both were down until the Ift til round, in each which, Donnelly's strength served him the throws. Oliver fought worst until the IBth round, when got what is technically termed second wind; led again and became the favourite at odds. 19. < placed two hits, meeting his adversary t'pch the and Donnelly appeared much distressed and was thrown. Until the round there was but little fighting ; Oliver's head was much swollen, and was aiming evtry mancuvre to get best. this rowed showed his nature to the admiration of the ring, fixing himself defensive attitudes in the corner of the ring, where he gallantly fought himself out in bull-dog style and threw his adversary. 23. fine specimen of science was here displayed. Both let fly the same moment, the counter hits told upon the mouth of each both went down at several feet distance from each other with the Sects the blows, which operated strongly upon the teeth, and both had enough to for several rounds to disgorge the claret. 21. Oliver received left handed hit the throat, and was thrown in the close. Oliver showed some extraordinary manhood; went to work the muzzling system, and although much reduced in strength owipowering weight, placed two flush hits upon ins adversary s head, and threw him. Bcttir upon <sliver, from his known ganie, and the distress his adversary laboured under. 20. Donnelly continued a weak state, and although Oliver was the worst beaten led in tins round, at the close which both went down, Donnelly under. and were hinging rounds in favour of 01iv<y. but the men were that weak state that it was any one'sbattle; good judges took the odds about Donnelly's winning, conceiving strength with any thing like equal game must bear him through the contest. Donnelly had shown game some points, and lie justified the approbation his Hibernian friends entertained of him. VY'e shall not pursue the rounds which followed until that which finished the mill. There was no Lombardstreet to the Orange boys about it A telling hit would have settled it; and we shall therefore leave the distressed situation of the men in hugging any thing rope stake, until the few ideas they hod were put one side by a hit. Donnelly was favoured by nature in the thirty-sixth round, and" proved himself a guid man by the efforts he made—-After staggering against each, other, Donnelly, fresher than his antagonist, hit him the throat and threw him heavy fall; when hie second's knee Oliver's head fell upon his shoulder most pitiful state, and being unable come to time, the Irish Champion was declared the victor, after 9 struggle of one hour and nine minutes.

Going to guess Tom Oliver and Dan Donnelly?

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Cork Examiner - Friday 02 September 1842

FIGHT BETWEEN MICK HAYDEN (IRISH CHAMPION) AND JACK CAIN LIVERPOOL, FOR FIFTY POUNDS A SIDE.

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Cork Examiner - Friday 28 September 1866

THE FIGHT FOR THE CHAMPION'S BELT As we stated yesterday, fight was arranged to take place between Richard O'Baldwin, «' the Irish giant," and a man named Marsden, of Nottingham, for the champion's belt and £100 side. We now learn that the fight took place yesterday morning on the borders of Huntingdonshire. After nine rounds had been fought it was evident that O'Baldwin had won the day

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Yarmouth Independent - Saturday 20 October 1877

Refers to James Dillon as Irish Champion in 1874. The article is about a criminal case Dillon was involved in and other than mentioning him being the Irish champion it doesn't say much. I can't even tell if anyone but Dillon ever called Dillon Irish Champion.

The others I've more or less verified. Langan can be found being called Irish champion all over, actually, once you look.

So, I'm gonna update list-o-candidates then take stuff like does Yankee below a little more seriously. Also, mt dates are ass. Willow's list and dates are better but guys i'm adding like Langan, I don't actually know a start date or an end date, just he was definitely champion during Spring's era because loads of dudes wrote about it. Including himself.

[Marchegiano]

Hello again Marchegiano.

I've updated the list quite a bit. I'm going to relax on adding names because I've hit quite a wall now and there's quite, quite a lot more than the BUI + 5 list now. I wanted to tell you, I'm not dropping the start and end times of reigns because I think it's unimportant. It's because I don't know them. My dates are more like, he was definitely champion on this year. That said, after some time I'll get their reigns figured out and restore the dates. Your's is an extremely helpful resource, thanks again.