New Ring Rankings of 100 Best Boxers Introduced...

[mrbig1]

Tarver over Toney and McCallum?

Now this list means nothing to me. I have no problem with SRR being #1. He is not the greatest MW of all time. How could he be a great MW when he lost his title 4 times. He didn't even rule his own era. Monzon,Hagler, Hopkins went years without losing a fight or their title. In fact, Monzon went unbeaten is his last 81 fights over 13 years. Just telling it like it is.

[just the facts]

Now this list means nothing to me. I have no problem with SRR being #1. He is not the greatest MW of all time. How could he be a great MW when he lost his title 4 times. He didn't even rule his own era. Monzon,Hagler, Hopkins went years without losing a fight or their title. In fact, Monzon went unbeaten is his last 81 fights over 13 years. Just telling it like it is.

I pretty much have the same opinion. At middleweight, I always had Hagler at one and Monzon at 2. But add in what Robinson did at welter to his middleweight resume and I have him #1 all time.

[GhostofDempsey]

They ranked Griffith and Canzoneri over Charles, Moore, Pep, Floyd and Manny in the top ten. Duran or Leonard didn't make top ten.

https://www.ringtv.com/634945-to-be-...rankings-10-1/

McLarnin, Jones and Hopkins ranked above Armstrong and Leonard.

https://www.ringtv.com/634878-to-be-...ankings-20-11/

Duran #33 below Conn, Tiger, De La Hoya, Arguello, Ortiz, Holyfield?

[Willie Pep 229]

- - A Ring reader has graciously provided a link examining racial demographics in Ring Rankings over the year.

https://dataverse.harvard.edu/datase...910/DVN/RYGQM6

Interesting - thanks for the post.


So in 1924 there was one Asian champion. Wonder who he was - will have to look him up.

Then there is a 26 year gap before the second Asian appears (1950). Wonder who he was? Will have to go looking.

Personally I only recognize one race, the human race (OK two, if you believe in the Lizard People).

Would rather see a break down by geographical region or by nation. I believe it is culture that produces champions not 'race.'

[QueensburyRules]

Interesting - thanks for the post.


So in 1924 there was one Asian champion. Wonder who he was - will have to look him up.

Then there is a 26 year gap before the second Asian appears (1950). Wonder who he was? Will have to go looking.

Personally I only recognize one race, the human race (OK two, if you believe in the Lizard People).

Would rather see a break down by geographical region or by nation. I believe it is culture that produces champions not 'race.'

- - The ill fated Pancho Villa probably that Jimmy McLarnin deceased after Pancho had an infected tooth pulled before their fight.

The 50s could be either that Thai name of Galaxy or another Filipino who fought in the Pep/Saddler era whose name escapes me at the moment.

But the American populace is obsessed with race still such that they created a new political racial demographic to argue over, People of Color, ie everyone not White Supremists!

[QueensburyRules]

I pretty much have the same opinion. At middleweight, I always had Hagler at one and Monzon at 2. But add in what Robinson did at welter to his middleweight resume and I have him #1 all time.

- - Well, with a blooming of a rare orchid, you finally live up to your moniker. Robby with120+ undefeated fights from 130-147 against more HOFers than 99.9% fighters ever fought took his first loss vs LaMotta, another HOFer whom he avenged 5x.

After near death from heat prostration vs Archer at LH, what few of the people not on his bandwagon flocked to his epic comeback middleweight title swaps when he was well passed his best.

The Ring Study has a narrow focus, that of complete consolidation of Ring Rankings, so from early debut years to ancient retirement era years he of course is gonna have more rankings than anyone else. I applaud the effort of taking as much subjectivity out of the project that has always limited any Ring or other ratings save that of boxrec.

[GhostofDempsey]

1- Robinson
2- Louis
3- Ali
4- Canzoneri
5- Griffith
6- Mayweather
7- Pep
8- Charles
9- Pacquiao
10- Moore

11- JCC
12- Hopkins
13- McLarnin
14- Jones
15- Napoles
16- Armstrong
17- Whitaker
18- Ike Williams
19- Ray Leonard
20- Holyfield

21- Carlos Ortiz
22- Arguello
23- Hagler
24- Young Corbett III
25- Angott
26- De La Hoya
27- Monzon
28- Conn
29- Harold Johnson
30- **** Tiger

31- Holmes
32- Ross
33- Duran
34- Kid Chocolate
35- Hearns
36- Peter Kane
37- Canelo Alvarez
38- LaMotta
39- Beau Jack
40- Kid Kaplan

41- Jofre
42- M. Spinks
43- :Lennox Lewis
44- Floyd Patterson
45- Ismael Laguna
46- Bivins
47- Azumah Nelson
48- Mickey Walker
49- Bob Foster
50- Vicente Salvidar

51- Jackie Fields
52- Wilfredo Gomez
53- Marciano
54- Fullmer
55- Tyson
56- Kid Berg
57- Mosley
58- Lou Ambers
59- Bobo Olson
60- Wlad

61- Donaire
62- Trinidad
63- Golovkin
64- Jack Sharkey
65- Olivares
66- Manuel Ortiz
67- Maxie Rosenbloom
68- Tommy Loughran
69- Kid Gavilan
70- Tszyu

71- Pone Kingpetch
72- Bud Crawford
73- Pascual Perez
74- Salvador Sanchez
75- Hamed
76- Marco Antonio Berrera
77- Cervantes
78- Greb
79- Benny Lynch
80- Aaron Pryor

81- Donald Curry
82- Frazier
83- De Jesus
84- Roman Gonzalez
85- Andre Ward
86- Erik Morales
87- Inoue
88- Ken Buchanan
89- Juan Manuel Marquez
90- Lomachenko

91- Tarver
92- Toney
93- McCallum
94- Basilio
95- Lou Salica
96- Benitez
97- Calzaghe
98- John Henry Lewis
99- Jose Torres
100- Lesnevich

[just the facts]

- - Well, with a blooming of a rare orchid, you finally live up to your moniker. Robby with120+ undefeated fights from 130-147 against more HOFers than 99.9% fighters ever fought took his first loss vs LaMotta, another HOFer whom he avenged 5x.

After near death from heat prostration vs Archer at LH, what few of the people not on his bandwagon flocked to his epic comeback middleweight title swaps when he was well passed his best.

The Ring Study has a narrow focus, that of complete consolidation of Ring Rankings, so from early debut years to ancient retirement era years he of course is gonna have more rankings than anyone else. I applaud the effort of taking as much subjectivity out of the project that has always limited any Ring or other ratings save that of boxrec.

Wow! Look who’s capable of ration thought. Who knew? A nice break from your usual elitist/****** threads.

[Willie Pep 229]

I don't embrace this assessment.

From what I can understand about the criteria it would be more properly titled Top 100 Best Achieveing Fighters.

[QueensburyRules]

I don't embrace this assessment.

From what I can understand about the criteria it would be more properly titled Top 100 Best RING Achieveing Fighters.

- - Corrected for our amusement.