Why was Ali the only prominent boxer drafted into Vietnam?

[QueensburyRules]

He was heavyweight champion, in many ways the face of boxing and other sports, and being in the NOI, the government wanted him to be their puppet like Joe Louis was, as mentioned before in this thread. When he refused, TPTB were angered, hence the aftermath.

- - Well, they didn't draft Wilt who right around this time had Ali looking like the 10 yr old schoolboy he used to be, but of course the Army had no uniform to fit Wilt, hence his dismissal to to the Y reject categories where Ali formerly resided due to his low test scores.

[Dynamite76]

- - Well, they didn't draft Wilt who right around this time had Ali looking like the 10 yr old schoolboy he used to be, but of course the Army had no uniform to fit Wilt, hence his dismissal to to the Y reject categories where Ali formerly resided due to his low test scores.

I think Wilt fit more into the scheme of things, a ********** who supported Nixon. Surprised they didn't go after Bill or Kareem if they did go after Wilt. They knew better than to go after Jim Brown LMFAO!!!!!!!

[Willie Pep 229]

- - Well, they didn't draft Wilt who right around this time had Ali looking like the 10 yr old schoolboy he used to be, but of course the Army had no uniform to fit Wilt, hence his dismissal to to the Y reject categories where Ali formerly resided due to his low test scores.

I think that is BS story where did you hear it?

Back in 1917 a very ****** Jess Wiilard tried to use that excuse when asked if he would enlist.

A recruiting Captian in Chicago pubically called him out promising they could fit him - he was left with egg on his face.

When Willard then tried to arrange a defense against Fulton the newspapers jumped him and two separate State governors (I think Michigan and Colorado) stopped the fight from happening in their States because of the public backlash.

One newspaper had a poll with a clip out to mail in asking if Willard should be allowed to fight, over 100,000 no's were mailed in and the Governors backed off..

One last thing, there is a Jess Willard fan on this forum who is going to try to claim that the Title was 'on hold' for the War. That is nonsense, there was no governing body in existence in 1917 that could make that call. Willard would have had the Fulton fight if he hadn't acted like a **** trying to blow off the War as a joke.

Here is a link to my page with an essay covering all the correct details, which States and which newspapers.

http://www.perno.com/history/slacker.html


I think the Wilt bit is crap.

P.S. I just looked, it was Minnesota not Michigan.

[billeau2]

I'm not so sure Ali's reasons for dodging the draft were all that noble. It had more to do with his allegiance and loyalty to Islam, who was pulling his puppet strings. Ali himself said, "War is against the teachings of the Qur'an. I'm not trying to dodge the draft. We are not supposed to take part in no wars unless declared by Allah or The Messenger (Elijah Muhammad then leader of Nation of Islam). We don’t take part in Christian wars or wars of any unbelievers".

I think Ali believed in it. Similar to Malcolm X. Ali never had the education, nor the horse sense to understand, at the time, the full picture involving the Black ****** power structure. Both Malcolm X and Ali did come around... What matters to me is that Ali appeared to have the right intentions.

I often make a similar argument when people come to me (as a martial arts teacher) and get in a huff about Mall schools, fake teachers, etc... The fact is, many people start martial arts that way... but if they really work hard and want to know the truth, it is out there and once you get there the truth does not care what street you came in on lol.

[billeau2]

I think that is BS story where did you hear it?

Back in 1917 a very ****** Jess Wiilard tried to use that excuse when asked if he would enlist.

A recruiting Captian in Chicago pubically called him out promising they could fit him - he was left with egg on his face.

When Willard then tried to arrange a defense against Fulton the newspapers jumped him and two separate State governors (I think Michigan and Colorado) stopped the fight from happening in their States because of the public backlash.

One newspaper had a poll with a clip out to mail in asking if Willard should be allowed to fight, over 100,000 no's were mailed in and the Governors backed off..

One last thing, there is a Jess Willard fan on this forum who is going to try to claim that the Title was 'on hold' for the War. That is nonsense, there was no governing body in existence in 1917 that could make that call. Willard would have had the Fulton fight if he hadn't acted like a **** trying to blow off the War as a joke.

Here is a link to my page with an essay covering all the correct details, which States and which newspapers.

http://www.perno.com/history/slacker.html


I think the Wilt bit is crap.

P.S. I just looked, it was Minnesota not Michigan.

The reason Wilt was not drafted is a known fact to every man of liesure...playa, pimper in the know... Wilt was ****in all those politicians wives... No way was Wilt going overseas. those wives made sure of it!

[GhostofDempsey]

I think Ali believed in it. Similar to Malcolm X. Ali never had the education, nor the horse sense to understand, at the time, the full picture involving the Black ****** power structure. Both Malcolm X and Ali did come around... What matters to me is that Ali appeared to have the right intentions.

I often make a similar argument when people come to me (as a martial arts teacher) and get in a huff about Mall schools, fake teachers, etc... The fact is, many people start martial arts that way... but if they really work hard and want to know the truth, it is out there and once you get there the truth does not care what street you came in on lol.

I felt he could have done just as much good for the morale of the blacks who were serving at the time, than those who weren’t. Whether he truly stood by his convictions, or was puppeting for Islam is neither here nor there. He did what he did for himself and to a lesser degree Elijah Muhammad. Not for other blacks or them Vietcong.

[billeau2]

I felt he could have done just as much good for the morale of the blacks who were serving at the time, than those who weren’t. Whether he truly stood by his convictions, or was puppeting for Islam is neither here nor there. He did what he did for himself and to a lesser degree Elijah Muhammad. Not for other blacks or them Vietcong.

The greater amount of good, with respect to Black Morale in the sixties, is debatable in retrospect. I see no reason why Ali would not agree with that thought/part of your post. People change, and we all sometimes have limited info to go on regarding the best decision at the time. I don't agree that Ali was self serving in this regard. He may have thought Elijah Muhammad was worth working with, he was a racial seperatist for a time as a young man. Its important to remember that the Civil Rights Movement was sort of like a mini Civil War of sorts. What was considered radical has to be looked at in context. Also, growing up in Kentucky, as Ali did, the kind of white men one had dealings with ranged from decent sorts, those who were openly racist, those who were racist and wanted to harm you... Ali probably never even met a *** until he grew up... So his understanding of race and person was prejudiced quite a bit.

[The Old LefHook]

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[QueensburyRules]

I think that is BS story where did you hear it?

Back in 1917 a very ****** Jess Wiilard tried to use that excuse when asked if he would enlist.

A recruiting Captian in Chicago pubically called him out promising they could fit him - he was left with egg on his face.

When Willard then tried to arrange a defense against Fulton the newspapers jumped him and two separate State governors (I think Michigan and Colorado) stopped the fight from happening in their States because of the public backlash.

One newspaper had a poll with a clip out to mail in asking if Willard should be allowed to fight, over 100,000 no's were mailed in and the Governors backed off..

One last thing, there is a Jess Willard fan on this forum who is going to try to claim that the Title was 'on hold' for the War. That is nonsense, there was no governing body in existence in 1917 that could make that call. Willard would have had the Fulton fight if he hadn't acted like a **** trying to blow off the War as a joke.

Here is a link to my page with an essay covering all the correct details, which States and which newspapers.

http://www.perno.com/history/slacker.html


I think the Wilt bit is crap.

P.S. I just looked, it was Minnesota not Michigan.

- - US military had height and weight standards during the Vietnam era among medical standards exempting heart murmurs, flat feet, bum knees, and most infamously, "bone spurs," ya could look it up.

Could care less about the Willard situation that was wholly different.

[The Old LefHook]

- - US military had height and weight standards during the Vietnam era among medical standards exempting heart murmurs, flat feet, bum knees, and most infamously, "bone spurs," ya could look it up.

Could care less about the Willard situation that was wholly different.

You could? I couldn't care less, myself.