The Goldberg Effect.

[Willie Pep 229]

- - Fight turned against AJ in the 10th rd when his open eye got popped that yield mucho pain and corncern about a broken orbital. The close scores reflect that Usyk won those last 3 rds, but his face reflects AJs near a stoppage win, not the Usyk masterclass the Ring Echo Chamber crowed about.
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Usyk may very well go pop in the rematch much like Ruiz did. The thought that he, in one fight, jumped to the ATG class only happens on forums like BS. The children love the flavor of the week.

[Blond Beast]

AJ has talent, always has, but there are levels to the game... I rewatched the first Marquez Pac fight! Wow.... never gets old. I do think Marquez deserved the nod. Just a really good fight with a lot of counters, and real championship rounds.

I like AJ when he settles in and becomes comfortable. I think he has a great uppercut ( the uppercut being a punch worth of its own thread ) once he’s confident enough to get in and use it. I just think trading and losing to Ruiz really damaged his psyche. I loved that he jumped on Ruiz at the moment, just didn’t work out, and haven’t recovered from it.
I think Marquez best punch vs Manny was when he stood his ground and threw that straight right hand. It could break up Mannys jab jab left combo. It may have taken him till the fourth fight… but when he landed that right that took Manny out, my brother called it a “Tecate Counter” being a combination reference to the Mexican beer and the “tech counter” in the Street Fighter video game.

[Blond Beast]

- - Fight turned against AJ in the 10th rd when his open eye got popped that yield mucho pain and corncern about a broken orbital. The close scores reflect that Usyk won those last 3 rds, but his face reflects AJs near a stoppage win, not the Usyk masterclass the Ring Echo Chamber crowed about.
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Right. I kept thinking that Usyk with all his movement, head and feet would slow at some point. Maybe coinciding with a push from AJ to change momentum and bring things closer together. Credit to Usyk for starting fast and finishing strong. My brother picked Usyk but I thought AJ would win in a close fight, just by acting like the real HW.

[QueensburyRules]

I think Marquez best punch vs Manny was when he stood his ground and threw that straight right hand. It could break up Mannys jab jab left combo. It may have taken him till the fourth fight… but when he landed that right that took Manny out, my brother called it a “Tecate Counter” being a combination reference to the Mexican beer and the “tech counter” in the Street Fighter video game.

- - Manny had Marquez on the verge of a KO when he leapt in for the finisher as the bell was seconds away.

Look closely-Typical lefty/righty foot fault where Manny lands on his foot that shot him sideways off balance, hands down instead of the finishing punch, an open target.

More importantly, it didn't catch Manny on the chin but rather under the ear on the side of the neck. I figure it suddenly compressed that right side jugular already in high blood pressure from the fight to a level beyond mortal consciousness, thus Manny laid out for a minute or so.

Marquez gets credit for throwing the punch, but it was in the 4th fight that he was yet losing again.

He ducked his biggest career purse 5th Manny fight to be held in a Mexico City Bullring to lose to a running Bradley.

[billeau2]

I like AJ when he settles in and becomes comfortable. I think he has a great uppercut ( the uppercut being a punch worth of its own thread ) once he’s confident enough to get in and use it. I just think trading and losing to Ruiz really damaged his psyche. I loved that he jumped on Ruiz at the moment, just didn’t work out, and haven’t recovered from it.
I think Marquez best punch vs Manny was when he stood his ground and threw that straight right hand. It could break up Mannys jab jab left combo. It may have taken him till the fourth fight… but when he landed that right that took Manny out, my brother called it a “Tecate Counter” being a combination reference to the Mexican beer and the “tech counter” in the Street Fighter video game.

Yeah that was a shot lol. Regarding AJ... It may well have damanged him for the ring. Time will tell.

[billeau2]

- - Manny had Marquez on the verge of a KO when he leapt in for the finisher as the bell was seconds away.

Look closely-Typical lefty/righty foot fault where Manny lands on his foot that shot him sideways off balance, hands down instead of the finishing punch, an open target.

More importantly, it didn't catch Manny on the chin but rather under the ear on the side of the neck. I figure it suddenly compressed that right side jugular already in high blood pressure from the fight to a level beyond mortal consciousness, thus Manny laid out for a minute or so.

Marquez gets credit for throwing the punch, but it was in the 4th fight that he was yet losing again.

He ducked his biggest career purse 5th Manny fight to be held in a Mexico City Bullring to lose to a running Bradley.

Thats not a duck Queenie. He fought the guy 4 times? Its a decision not to do another fight with Pac.

[billeau2]

Right. I kept thinking that Usyk with all his movement, head and feet would slow at some point. Maybe coinciding with a push from AJ to change momentum and bring things closer together. Credit to Usyk for starting fast and finishing strong. My brother picked Usyk but I thought AJ would win in a close fight, just by acting like the real HW.

Usyk once talked about how his trainer incorporated the head movement in with the combos, virtually making the movement second nature and part of the series during a combination. Ingenious!

[QueensburyRules]

Thats not a duck Queenie. He fought the guy 4 times? Its a decision not to do another fight with Pac.

- - Clear duck of his biggest career purse vs Manny, the 2nd time that happened in their 4 fight series. And he need Meme Heredia BALCO vitamins for the last two fights to get to that 2nd duck.

Musta fergot he ducked the $750K immediate rematch of their first fight to end up getting beat up by Chris John in Indonesia for $25 K. No shame in that as Barrera ducked his rematch for several years and it took l'l Floydy 6 years before he could man up for their 2nd fight after he ducked out on the date and venue he and his crack daddy had chosen for the first fight. Morales was the only Amigo willing to take on 3 timely Manny matches, and remember, Marquez ducked numerous offers from Morales and would only fight Barrera once when he had shown signs of decline after a greater career than Marquez. Barrera still walked him into a KD right hand and could've finished him but for the clumsy incompetence of Nady.

[Blond Beast]

- - Manny had Marquez on the verge of a KO when he leapt in for the finisher as the bell was seconds away.

Look closely-Typical lefty/righty foot fault where Manny lands on his foot that shot him sideways off balance, hands down instead of the finishing punch, an open target.

More importantly, it didn't catch Manny on the chin but rather under the ear on the side of the neck. I figure it suddenly compressed that right side jugular already in high blood pressure from the fight to a level beyond mortal consciousness, thus Manny laid out for a minute or so.

Marquez gets credit for throwing the punch, but it was in the 4th fight that he was yet losing again.

He ducked his biggest career purse 5th Manny fight to be held in a Mexico City Bullring to lose to a running Bradley.

Yep. JMM managed drop Manny first but in typical Marquez fashion he himself got put on his butt soon after. It was just so typical Marquez. He can get caught with a single shot and go down. It’s definitely a deficit in his skills compared to Manny. I mean I’ll never know what is actually going on in a fighters head, but it looked like Manny wanted to “go home”. Press the fight and take Marquez out. I totally respect it. It’s exciting. Takes a certain type of fighter. Marquez was on his back foot. Manny just got a little careless and JMM landed the perfect counter, took him four fights to do so. Part of the result was just from Manny’s own force coming in.
JMM maybe should have won the third fight? I’ll have to watch it again. I just think he wanted to end the war on the dramatic note of that KO win. I can understand his personal reasons why. I don’t think it gave him all the legacy he thinks it did though.

[The Old LefHook]

I noticed that getting the odds on a past fight is not as easy as one might assume. Sometimes that information has to be gleaned from documentaries and other secondary sources. This lack of easy availability makes it difficult to gauge just how much Goldberg Effect might be in effect. Ahem!

So I started a separate list of the historical odds on fights. If you know 'em, post 'em, lads. I will only record the suggestions of those who are not already known for numerical and other distortions.

As an example, try it yourself, and see just how hard it is to churn up the odds on the internet on something as recent as Fury/Wilder 1. Maybe y'all have a source I do not have. Of course, I never pay for ANYTHING on the internet. No special subscriptions, or any such bull.