Movie on boxing legend Willie Pep being made by Leonardo DiCaprio’s company. A longtime CT trainer is prepping actor.

[soul_survivor]

Hopkins? If that movie was anything like he fought it would be a snoozer!!!!

I'm just kidding. He had an interesting life to say the least. His style may not have been crowd pleasing, but his road to redemption was certainly inspiring.

haha yep but the story is amazing..then again Hollywood only like to make a black sports story if it ends in failure not redemption.

[Willie Pep 229]

haha yep but the story is amazing..then again Hollywood only like to make a black sports story if it ends in failure not redemption.

Reference two examples!

[OctoberRed]

- - The hat with a cigar act Bert Sugar responsible for the myth of Pep's no punch round more than any. Pep in his prime was quite prolific in his offense from the limited video I've seen. He was in an era where folks and refs actually wanted to see fights, not the American stinkers of today.

Bert was known for making up a lot of stuff.

[soul_survivor]

Reference two examples!

What do you mean two examples?

The vast majority of boxing films about are about white boxers...heck there's more movies about a fictional white heavyweight boxer than of actual historic black boxers

[QueensburyRules]

What do you mean two examples?

The vast majority of boxing films about are about white boxers...heck there's more movies about a fictional white heavyweight boxer than of actual historic black boxers

- - Great White Hope by Howie Sackler made into the film that catapulted James Earl Jones into The Thespian Stratosphere dwarfs all other boxing films/plays combined.

You're Welcome...

[soul_survivor]

- - Great White Hope by Howie Sackler made into the film that catapulted James Earl Jones into The Thespian Stratosphere dwarfs all other boxing films/plays combined.

You're Welcome...

Load of nonsense. Bye.

[Willie Pep 229]

What do you mean two examples?

The vast majority of boxing films about are about white boxers...heck there's more movies about a fictional white heavyweight boxer than of actual historic black boxers

Two different points at issue . . .

Maybe I misunderstand - but didn't you state that they only make films about Black fighters when they have negative endings? I was wondering what films you were speaking of . . . True, but most of the paying audience is White (although that is changing) and Hollywood is always driven by box-office so of course most of the films are about White fighters . . . But what negative films about Black fighters are you speaking about?

[QueensburyRules]

Load of nonsense. Bye.

- - Name a bigger, more influential boxing play and movie than Great White Hope.

Stay tuned boys, this gonna git good!

[Willie Pep 229]

- - Name a bigger, more influential boxing play and movie than Great White Hope.

Stay tuned boys, this gonna git good!

The Harder they Fall; Requiem for a Heavyweight.

Both are far more important films; more important in educating the populace.

I understand that White Hope had to time/space compress the first two white wife's into one character, but it completely ignored the physical spousal abuse he inflicted (it did explore the emotional abuse he suffered on the people unfortunate enough to get close to him.)

The one encounter with the Black minister before the Jeffries fight touched on his refusal to be a Black icon but the topic was then ignored.

It also completely ignored his absolute disdain for Black women, often pubically calling them (in the real world) whores and thieves.

I am curious who do you think White Hope influenced?

I guess circa 1968 many still needed to be educated on the racism that plagued pre Civil Rights sport, I guess.

P.S. I would say the man was a complete '****' and I understand they couldn't make a film about a complete ****, but then along comes Scorsese and he goes ahead and makes a film about a different complete **** and doesn't pull any punches. (Pun intended.)

[QueensburyRules]

The Harder they Fall; Requiem for a Heavyweight.

Both are far more important films; more important in educating the populace.

I understand that White Hope had to time/space compress the first two white wife's into one character, but it completely ignored the physical spousal abuse he inflicted (it did explore the emotional abuse he suffered on the people unfortunate enough to get close to him.)

The one encounter with the Black minister before the Jeffries fight touched on his refusal to be a Black icon but the topic was then ignored.

It also completely ignored his absolute disdain for Black women, often pubically calling them (in the real world) whores and thieves.

I am curious who do you think White Hope influenced?

I guess circa 1968 many still needed to be educated on the racism that plagued pre Civil Rights sport, I guess.

P.S. I would say the man was a complete '****' and I understand they couldn't make a film about a complete ****, but then along comes Scorsese and he goes ahead and makes a film about a different complete **** and doesn't pull any punches. (Pun intended.)

- - Not saying Sackler produced a great work, it had all those failings you mentioned because it was intended to be a fictional character, not JJohnson.

End of the day it was a seminal, influential black cultural film that floated the petticoats of ******* whites and blacks in the day not to mention making James Earl into an Icon of American actors above most all.