Young Dempsey hits the bag

[billeau2]

- -They still have canvas bags and I have one on it's umpteenth repair with new canvases I stitched together. Also made a small bag compressing ancient feather pillows from my childhood into a canvas shopping bag on it's umpteenth bag repair much easier because a bought a couple dozen bags.

Always thought most of the slick heavy bags were fiber reinforced plastic. Leather must be for the sniffy high end popcorn punchers, yes?

How old is your bag? Mine has to be about 30 years old... it survived my car accident in 1999, when I was bringing it to teach a class in Lafayette Louisiana. I t boned, was not drinking, just ******ity lol. Funny thing is the State Trooper (told me all this when he came in with the bag while I was in the hospital) told me, they found the bag and were inititally convinced I was drinking and that the bag had drugs in it lol. The guy was a saint... he comes in grinning, having found out I had no alcohol in my blood, and had the consideration to not cut the bag completely open to look for drugs. So... a little extra duct tape and my bag was better for the wear than I was!

[Rockin']

Never seen this one before, only his older past prime footage

[I just smoked a joint when watching this ] I noticed boxers today ruined their training routines because of the media. they know they are being watched while they train now, they no longer are training with purpose but rather to look good for the camera. You see all these new ****** training techniques when in reality you should be in the ring working. The most casual observer thinks boxing has somehow improved in quality today. They see how polished up and flashy the training sessions are now with these rediculous padwork routines while dancing with a blind fold on. This seriously only started happening in the past 15-20 years. I make this observation because the way the old guys trained seems very workman like, but when they fight - they are good and very comfortable or "seasoned" [ /I just smoked a joint when watching this]

(I just smoked one too) In color but no sound? While todays mitt routines are overly flashy, getting used to getting your face out of the way of a shot is never a bad thing. Unless of course you are slipping to the wrong side.

I've always favored the Water bags.............Rockin'

[The Old LefHook]

Dempsey's back was heavily musselt. A puncher's back.

[Anthony342]

I do understand the pad work routines, I just don't think its as useful as people think. You can tell when a fighter is born and raised on the pads, pulls all their shots, doesn't follow through properly, is generally very stiff. I think Floyds idea of using it for mental memorization is actually the best idea ive heard yet. Other wise it should just be coaches tool to work with a fighter, not some 12 round sprint that they use to replace sparring.

also never understood tiny speed bags, you have to compromise your form to keep up with it. The whole point of a speed bag was something that developes your arms while forcing you to stay relaxed (You have to, to keep rythm). They used to teach fighters how to punch by using a speed bag, or hitting a piece of paper (pop the bag or tear the paper).

s many dumb things that look cool and do nothing.

The paper thing sounds similar to how they used to train wrestlers to throw "working punches." Except if they used paper, they'd want to do the opposite and not break it. In the Ric Flair 30 for 30, he said when training with Verne Gagne, he hung a piece of string outside his room and threw punches at it every day. The purpose was first to get it to barely move and then for it to not move at all because in their business, working punches pretty much have to be near misses (or near hits, as comedian George Carlin used to call them). Some wrestlers that wanted matches to look more real were known to work a stiff a strong style, thereby making actual contact, but if they were good workers, they still wouldn't hurt the other person that much, if at all. This seems particularly popular in Japan or with certain old school individuals and would therefore gain their respect.

[Cypocryphy]

- -Maybe you don't understand the purpose of the mitts. It's a more highly developed ritual than stomach crunches, rope skipping and most especially long distance running that can lead to injurious fight promotions.

The rituals imprint specific combinations and defensive moves used for the fight plan. I'd go even further in this 12 rd era: You could get fighter in conditioning/strength shape using no more than a 6 day a week alternating weight station programs with a 1 day rest on Sundays and a stationary bike. Of course you still need sparring, but some trainers are too careless in how they allow their fighters to spar, but all that would be the most important part of the training and dependent on the style, power, and speed of the opponent.

I got that Jack was just playing around for cameras in your vid, not some old school training.

That's how I live. That's how everyone should live.

[Cypocryphy]

yeah but I could walk into any boxing gym today and the first thing you are gonna see is fighters and trainers alike emulating what they see on Tv. training in a manner of imitation and not understanding. It goes for the coaches too. Boxing is like an apprenticeship program, its so unregulated where all the info comes from. its not like they all went to boxing school.

There's so much variation that you can have (and typically do) dads or fathers who don't know anything other than they want to train their kid. Teofimo's father is an example of that, someone who was able to learn as he went. On the other end of fathers who train, you have Lomachenko's father who trained not just Loma but other world champions, as well as the Ukrainian Olympic team.

Then you have other coaches who apprenticed with the greats, continuing to pass on their training techniques to others. Freddy Roach, Sugar Hill and Teddy Atlas come to mind.

Between these, you have amateur boxers whose career in boxing ended quickly and now found a passion in training others. But as far as people emulating what they see on TV, perhaps there are some but there's always been coaches like that everywhere, in all sports. So that statement doesn't mean that much to me.

Incidentally, if you Dempsey punching that bag, several times he's hitting the bag with his palm or wrist. Luckily for him that bag is light or else he would have messed up his hand, I'm sure. I think that there are many things that the boxers of today have improved on, training, conditioning, techniques, developing the sweet science. I think that the boxers of today are largely better than the boxers of yesteryears.

[Cypocryphy]

(I just smoked one too) In color but no sound? While todays mitt routines are overly flashy, getting used to getting your face out of the way of a shot is never a bad thing. Unless of course you are slipping to the wrong side.

I've always favored the Water bags.............Rockin'

So you are saying that you have limp wrists and brittle hands? Is that what you just confessed to?

[Rockin']

So you are saying that you have limp wrists and brittle hands? Is that what you just confessed to?

So are you implying that James Toney also has limp wrists and brittle hands too?

James was the one who wanted only water bags up in Galaxy. Have you heard of Galaxy?

I don't believe that I ever had even worked a water bag before this time, or at least not on the daily.

But I found that I also liked the water bags better.

I'm sure, however, that our fists were already firmly compacted strong by this time from working the traditional bags for years.

So I hear where you are coming from but you didn't have to be so brash about it................Rockin'

[Cypocryphy]

So are you implying that James Toney also has limp wrists and brittle hands too?

James was the one who wanted only water bags up in Galaxy. Have you heard of Galaxy?

I don't believe that I ever had even worked a water bag before this time, or at least not on the daily.

But I found that I also liked the water bags better.

I'm sure, however, that our fists were already firmly compacted strong by this time from working the traditional bags for years.

So I hear where you are coming from but you didn't have to be so brash about it................Rockin'

Just playing … that was funny.

[Rockin']

Just playing … that was funny.

What was funny? .....................Rockin'