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  • Marchegiano
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    #11
    This too

    NBA May Hold Inquiry in ‘Rocky’ Graziano Case President in Blast at N.Y. Commission

    NEW YORK, (ff) As Rocky Graziano continued his fight for fistic life before the state athletic commission today, the National Boxing Association indicated it might conduct its own inquiry in the case, because if felt the commission wasn’t interested in a united front to “clean up boxing.” NBA President Abe Greene asserted the New York commission should have invited an NBA representative to sit in on the Graziano case in view of Greene’s statement last week that boxing’s two most powerful governing bodies should join forces against ******** and fixing. “We opened the door to New York, Greene declared, “and the commission didn’t see fit to join us in a common platform.” Greene’s statement came as the commission began the second day of its hearing on Graziano’s failure to report a $lOO,OOO offer to throw a fight with Ruben Shank last night—one of two $lOO,OOO bids he received to fix bouts, neither bid accepted. Greene indicated he might summon Graziano and his mild little manager, Irving Cohen, to tell him the facts. Abe could give those facts to the NBA’s executive committee, and the committee could decide the NBA’s action in its farflung territory. All indications are that if Graziano is given a severe penalty he will appeal to the courts on the grounds the commission’s ruling would deprive him of making a living.
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      #12
      I've found enough to re-affirm there are NYSAC Ratings:

      Clipped Dec 1 1935's ratings


      NYSACratings1935.png

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        #13
        Ah damn, should have read more carefully. Those are IL's ratings not NY's.

        ...damn, square one again.

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          #14
          https://www.newspapers.com/clip/8382...nysac-history/

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            #15
            Originally posted by Marchegiano
            Nothing major yet but I thought this was interesting:
            Amazing - nothing ever seems to change but the date; you could insert the WBA and WBC and pretty much write that article today.

            Thanks good read.

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              QUOTE=Marchegiano;n31052502]https://www.newspapers.com/clip/8382...nysac-history/

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              Tgus is a great article it confirms that the NYSAC was holding things up by refusing to recignize Charles and the NBA was gaining ground (prestige) but stepping up and keeping the HW title active while Louis made up his mind.

              By being locked in with both Walcott and Charles gave the NBA clout to be the 'go to' sanctioning body and is probably why their name appears all over Boxrec's record book for the Charles through Marciano period.

              Funny how the gangsters (IBC) gets a single mention at the beginning if one article but then the writer avoids addressing them again.

              But I think there is enough there (in the article) to suggest that the NBA was cooperating with Frankie Carbo (IBC)

              P.S. The IBC was not a scantiining body but a 'union' for fight managers. Gaining control over the managers gave them (quiet) indirect control over the fighters and it forced both the scantioning bidies to go through them as well as the Networks.

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                Originally posted by Willie Pep 229
                Tgus is a great article it confirms that the NYSAC was holding things up by refusing to recignize Charles and the NBA was gaining ground (prestige) but stepping up and keeping the HW title active while Louis made up his mind.

                By being locked in with both Walcott and Charles gave the NBA clout to be the 'go to' sanctioning body and is probably why their name appears all over Boxrec's record book for the Charles through Marciano period.

                Funny how the gangsters (IBC) gets a single mention at the beginning if one article but then the writer avoids addressing them again.

                But I think there is enough there (in the article) to suggest that the NBA was cooperating with Frankie Carbo (IBC)

                P.S. The IBC was not a scantiining body but a 'union' for fight managers. Gaining control over the managers gave them (quiet) indirect control over the fighters and it forced both the scantioning bidies to go through them as well as the Networks.

                [/QUOTE]

                I thought you might find that one particularly useful.

                I think when I have time to word a carefully worded email I'm going to give going directing to the NYSAC a shot. Who knows, maybe something like NYSAC ratings and contenders and such, maybe even internal documents, are all public record and all you need to do is ask.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Marchegiano

                  Tgus is a great article it confirms that the NYSAC was holding things up by refusing to recignize Charles and the NBA was gaining ground (prestige) but stepping up and keeping the HW title active while Louis made up his mind.

                  By being locked in with both Walcott and Charles gave the NBA clout to be the 'go to' sanctioning body and is probably why their name appears all over Boxrec's record book for the Charles through Marciano period.

                  Funny how the gangsters (IBC) gets a single mention at the beginning if one article but then the writer avoids addressing them again.

                  But I think there is enough there (in the article) to suggest that the NBA was cooperating with Frankie Carbo (IBC)

                  P.S. The IBC was not a scantiining body but a 'union' for fight managers. Gaining control over the managers gave them (quiet) indirect control over the fighters and it forced both the scantioning bidies to go through them as well as the Networks.
                  I thought you might find that one particularly useful.

                  I think when I have time to word a carefully worded email I'm going to give going directing to the NYSAC a shot. Who knows, maybe something like NYSAC ratings and contenders and such, maybe even internal documents, are all public record and all you need to do is ask.[/QUOTE]

                  You know, I saw a video on a popular youtube channel where the world heavyweight champion in pro wrestling was a little confusing for a while until the top promoters agreed and started the NWA (National Wrestling Alliance) and would pretty much meet yearly and agree on who would be the champion. Even though there's still an NWA title belt, most diehards agree it's not the same lineage as before and that the previous title belt's lineage died when Ric Flair left for the WWF with the big gold belt in 1991 and a new one started when that new promotion opened up. Interesting info too, the channel is called Dave Knows Wrestling.

                  In boxing, The Ring was the authority for a long time and sometimes still is when the guy that wins it beats the best, but when a promoter owns the magazine, it's a conflict of interest, so I hope this new TBRB gains some traction and becomes the definitive authority.

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