Look at the K2 Brothers fighting!!

[QueensburyRules]

You're avoiding the fact that it's better to be to have fought one all time great that four fighters who weren't even contenders.

And why do you keep avoiding my question as to why Vits couldn't have fought the fighters I've already named?

- -U ignoring Lewis/Tyson/Field/Bowe were not game to fight the new Kids on the block because of their size and KO power.

Etched in stone...

[JAB5239]

- -U ignoring Lewis/Tyson/Field/Bowe were not game to fight the new Kids on the block because of their size and KO power.

Etched in stone...

You're going to avoid my question, which in turn is exactly why they never got a shot at any of those fighters except Lewis, and Lewis ripped Vits face off. Maybe had they been fighting top comp at that time they would have gotten the big prizes. As it stands they did not.... especially Vitaly who save for the two fights he lost always sought the weakest competition instead of the toughest. Little brother was far gutsier and with a much better resume.

Etched in stone...

[QueensburyRules]

You're going to avoid my question, which in turn is exactly why they never got a shot at any of those fighters except Lewis, and Lewis ripped Vits face off. Maybe had they been fighting top comp at that time they would have gotten the big prizes. As it stands they did not.... especially Vitaly who save for the two fights he lost always sought the weakest competition instead of the toughest. Little brother was far gutsier and with a much better resume.

Etched in stone...

- -Vitali sued Lewis and won 3 civil judgements against him before he could fight Lewis on 2 weeks notice. He lost the fight on cuts, but won the war when Lewie forfeited his 5 fight plan and WBC title to avoid the rematch. Field and Tyson operating on fumes and Big Dummy beat up and retired by Golota.

You're welcome.

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You didn't give a timeline. You didn't show any proof Vits had to pay triple to bring people to Germany to fight him, and you haven't explained why he couldn't fight Maskaev, Golota, Ibeabuchi, Tua, Jefferson etc. You've shown NOTHING.

Vitali practically started his career a month short of 1997 ,how would he have fought those guys ? Ike’s last fight was 1999 , Golota would have been fun but was he actually relevant in the 2000”s ? Holding the WBC belt who was ranked where at those times ? Tua also lost to Byrd but actually got out boxed .Maskaev lost to Kirk Johnson who Vitali wAlked through , seems you are really really stretched the truths about Vitali here to discredit yes I know up it’s what you guys do on here but come on . Ha

[billeau2]

Vitali practically started his career a month short of 1997 ,how would he have fought those guys ? Ike’s last fight was 1999 , Golota would have been fun but was he actually relevant in the 2000”s ? Holding the WBC belt who was ranked where at those times ? Tua also lost to Byrd but actually got out boxed .Maskaev lost to Kirk Johnson who Vitali wAlked through , seems you are really really stretched the truths about Vitali here to discredit yes I know up it’s what you guys do on here but come on . Ha

I don't personally Blame Vitalie, but it is what it is. For whatever reason he fought weak opposition. Ward also was a "home body" but wound up fighting many great fighters while staying in Oakland. When Vitalie had a chance to step up against Lewis, he came up short... Thats the reality. Again, not blaming Vitalie but thats the history.

[billeau2]

- -Vitali sued Lewis and won 3 civil judgements against him before he could fight Lewis on 2 weeks notice. He lost the fight on cuts, but won the war when Lewie forfeited his 5 fight plan and WBC title to avoid the rematch. Field and Tyson operating on fumes and Big Dummy beat up and retired by Golota.

You're welcome.

Lewis was out of shape as well... he was training for an easy W against Kirk Johnson, a fighter who was smaller, and arguably slower than Lewis...And you don't know why Lewis retired anymore than I would know why Vitalie let a shoulder injury stop him from completing his fight with Byrd.

[billeau2]

You're going to avoid my question, which in turn is exactly why they never got a shot at any of those fighters except Lewis, and Lewis ripped Vits face off. Maybe had they been fighting top comp at that time they would have gotten the big prizes. As it stands they did not.... especially Vitaly who save for the two fights he lost always sought the weakest competition instead of the toughest. Little brother was far gutsier and with a much better resume.

Etched in stone...

Aww you know how it goes: Lewis who was brutally knocked out by Mccall, a dangerous puncher who was always a threat... and Lewis wants a rematch immediately. Ditto for Rahman... But Vitalie scared Lewis into retirement... the same Lewis who avoided mandatories to face the fighters fans wanted to see... Lewis ducked the most feared John, the quiet man Ruiz, the only fighter in history to throw less punches than his cornerman Stoney... to fight the fighter who the pundits predicted would knock him out... that being Mccall. BUT Somehow Vitalie scared him into retirement. The same Lewis who made Bowe give up a belt rather than face him BUT BUT But... Vitalie scared him into retirement....

And how did Vitalie do this exactly? Fighting Lewis while Lewis was at his worse, and losing anyway... SCARY!!!

Vitalie and Valuev, the twin pillars of heavyweight greatness, completing the triad, the triangle with Wilt the Stilt who most certainly had Ali's number lol... you cannot make this shiat up.

[billeau2]

Well the difference is Klitschko didn’t fight squared up on opponents making it far harder to hit with less target . Carnera doesnt quite set up the right hand properly and is very off balance when he misses punches . Training big men wasn’t a thing back then .for boxing ,he’s actually trying to fight like a small guy and he struggles with moments of throwing elbows as well .

Klitschkos jab itself dictated the fight making his opponents go in the direction he wants while really extending it while also moving out of direction or away while Carnera is not as calculated and lunges in with a face exposed going forward smothering his own work in uncalculated flurry’s .

Theres a clear quality difference between a Klitschko and Carnera as much as Patterson and Mike Tyson . Klitschko might have one of the most underrated left hooks ever and his hook off the jab was a great skill set he had beyond the jab and straight right themselves.

Carnera had moments he seemed to know how to box on his feet moving but he still looked like a very obsolete Klitschko doing it . I mean come on count how many times Carnera comes in with his chin way up in the air exposed as he also drops his left after throwing a right hand it’s amateur vs a Klitschko real elite style he had which is why he went undefeated many years . A defined big man is a handful ,had Carnera had more abilities of being more refined he may have been the guy to beat but he was no Klitschko by a long shot .

What a bunch of gibberish lol. What is setting up a right hand properly? The film shows both guys holding the lead hand low. What fights and what opponents did Vitalie's jab act as such? Extending it while moving out of the way? really? so he wasn't set and was bouncing? what!?

so every punch klitchko had was his skill set? or was it his hook off the jab? Carnera fought better comp than Vitalie keep that in mind... Your all over the place. Sure Vitalie Kiltsko was a stronger fighter than Canera but this gibberish? lol. Come on

[QueensburyRules]

Lewis was out of shape as well... he was training for an easy W against Kirk Johnson, a fighter who was smaller, and arguably slower than Lewis...And you don't know why Lewis retired anymore than I would know why Vitalie let a shoulder injury stop him from completing his fight with Byrd.

- -Vit pulled out by his ama trainer, the same trainer that pulled Wlad pitching a shutout over Puritty. What would Ali's ama trainer do when Ali quit the first Liston fight?

Dundee shoved him out there to save his bacon. The Ks never quit like Ali did in that fight and the 3rd Frazier fight. Get U minder to look it up fer U diapered keister.

Lewis in training 2 months before 8 week camp with Steward vs Johnson with 5 more fights planned. I remember it like yesterday, but U weren't paying attention then and now, dolt being U apt descriptor.

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- -Vit pulled out by his ama trainer, the same trainer that pulled Wlad pitching a shutout over Puritty. What would Ali's ama trainer do when Ali quit the first Liston fight?

Dundee shoved him out there to save his bacon. The Ks never quit like Ali did in that fight and the 3rd Frazier fight. Get U minder to look it up fer U diapered keister.

Lewis in training 2 months before 8 week camp with Steward vs Johnson with 5 more fights planned. I remember it like yesterday, but U weren't paying attention then and now, dolt being U apt descriptor.

These guys just make up things as they go along . Ha

Lewis said he put on the extra weight to combat Vitalis own size ,he was training the entire time while Vitali was actually training for a easy tune up until he got the call from the Lewis camp . These guys have no shame It’s no wonder some are lost when leaving this section on NSB when they have to to tell the truth .,it’s why I try and make my visits here very infrequent .