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  • Originally posted by dreamroom View Post

    Actually, the lead hook, which is the left hook for orthodox fighters isn't a power punch. As a knockout punch, the perfect lead hook is meant to be quick, with velocity left to right, catching the opponent on the lower part of the left side of his jaw, near the mouth/chin, causing a contrecoup brain injury. Whereas Frasier was a body puncher, and wore opponents down that way, the brutal beating he put on one ribs and stomach dropped their guard, opening them up for his devastating hook. Although when thrown correctly, the velocity along with the angle it travels gives it fight ending power, it's technically not a "power punch". JMHO
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      • Originally posted by Ivich View Post

        A left hook thrown from an orthodox fighter lands on the lower part of the left side of an opponents jaw? A hook that ko's you is a power punch . Exponents of this have been far too many to include all of them here,eg Fitzsimmons.Jeffries,Dempsey, Robinson,Tua,Trinidad,Jones Jnr,Mattysse,Pacquiao,Stevenson,Foster.Being just a sample.
        I stand corrected. Right side of the jaw. ooops. I guess you could consider a hook a "power punch". You've made a believer of me. Personally, the lead hook is the toughest one for me to get real power on. I get serious power on my overhand right, especially when I set it up with a quick lead hook. I get serious upper body rotation and leg drive behind it. Same with my uppercut, leg drive and trunk rotation both. I can get a little power with my hook with the rotation and shoulder snap, but nothing close to the power I get when I'm driving from the floor combined with upper body rotation. So let me rephrase; The hook isn't a power punch "for me".
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        • Originally posted by them_apples View Post

          it is considered a power punch. And the right hook to the head for the longest time wasn’t even a punch because it requires body mechanics that don’t really work. To the body they also threw it palm down on floating rib.

          the left hook is considered a power punch. And even when they tally on punch stats, the left hook is included in the power punches category. The jab is the only non “power punch” as it is an arm punch.
          Yeah, I rephrased my position on that. For me, I don't consider anything I throw a power punch unless I can get trunk rotation and leg drive both. It's still 3rd place of the 4 basic punches when it comes to power in my opinion. I throw a pretty good liver shot with my lead hand, but it's more of a hook/uppercut hybrid. Good discussion though.

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          • Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post

            - - Actually U ain't never woke up from U comatose contradiction.
            I clarified my opinion on another post. Try again in English please
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            • Originally posted by dreamroom View Post

              I clarified my opinion on another post. Try again in English please
              - - U opinion was in comatosese.

              Lead left hook the the most dangerous punch in boxing no matter the boxing stance. Shorter distance to travel delivered ideally either to the liver or jaw with a snapping finish on the punch...yer welcome...

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              • Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post

                - - U opinion was in comatosese.

                Lead left hook the the most dangerous punch in boxing no matter the boxing stance. Shorter distance to travel delivered ideally either to the liver or jaw with a snapping finish on the punch...yer welcome...
                It's only dangerous if the fighter is good at throwing it, and you don't see it coming. Just like any other punch, except the jab maybe. It's also a hard punch to land. The first 5 or 6 sparring sessions when I was a beginner, I just couldn't land my lead hook. The first time I landed one, it was on a 1 - fake 2 - 3 combo. It took me months to learn how to set up my lead hook. I'll admit, I'm not a good hooker. Average at best. Unfortunately, I don't have power in both hands. As far as pure power, the overhand right is king, as evidenced in the Amir Kahn - Canelo fight, of course, in my opinion. I just don't see how anybody can get more power in a lead hook, than a punch thrown with the rear hand. There's a reason the rear hand is called the "power hand". Again, JMHO.

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                • Originally posted by dreamroom View Post

                  It's only dangerous if the fighter is good at throwing it, and you don't see it coming. Just like any other punch, except the jab maybe. It's also a hard punch to land. The first 5 or 6 sparring sessions when I was a beginner, I just couldn't land my lead hook. The first time I landed one, it was on a 1 - fake 2 - 3 combo. It took me months to learn how to set up my lead hook. I'll admit, I'm not a good hooker. Average at best. Unfortunately, I don't have power in both hands. As far as pure power, the overhand right is king, as evidenced in the Amir Kahn - Canelo fight, of course, in my opinion. I just don't see how anybody can get more power in a lead hook, than a punch thrown with the rear hand. There's a reason the rear hand is called the "power hand". Again, JMHO.
                  I think the right cross is the hardest shot someone can throw, or the left to the body due to mechanics. By cross I don’t mean the straight right hand that Ali popularized - which is more like a jab only its thrown with the fighters dominant hand (stronger) and you can step with it coming from the back foot. The original cross was thrown from the centerline with the shoulder loose and dangling almost free fall from the joint. Tons of leverage.

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                  • Originally posted by dreamroom View Post

                    I stand corrected. Right side of the jaw. ooops. I guess you could consider a hook a "power punch". You've made a believer of me. Personally, the lead hook is the toughest one for me to get real power on. I get serious power on my overhand right, especially when I set it up with a quick lead hook. I get serious upper body rotation and leg drive behind it. Same with my uppercut, leg drive and trunk rotation both. I can get a little power with my hook with the rotation and shoulder snap, but nothing close to the power I get when I'm driving from the floor combined with upper body rotation. So let me rephrase; The hook isn't a power punch "for me".
                    Many Traditionalists consider any "lead" blow a set up. Is that correct? I don't know... Its just a way of classifying punches in boxing.

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                    • Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post

                      - - U opinion was in comatosese.

                      Lead left hook the the most dangerous punch in boxing no matter the boxing stance. Shorter distance to travel delivered ideally either to the liver or jaw with a snapping finish on the punch...yer welcome...
                      Nope. Straight is always shorter distance from point A to point B. A Hook is actually Two straight punches... Initially it travels straight, then makes a 90 degree to the target.

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