Legacy not important says "Money"

[Willie Pep 229]

But that's because they didn't save their money or plan ahead. Guys like Larry Holmes and Rocky Marciano had pretty good legacies and saved plenty. Ditto fort Ali, he wasn't hurting for money after retirement.

The NOI made it a point to protect Ali financially - thr cliche was Ali must not become a ****** Joe Louis. All his taxes were paid as soon as he was paid and trust funds created.

Not becuse they were good people but becuse they wanted all the prestige avaiable from their connection with him; didn't want the press to be able to dis them.

[QueensburyRules]

But that's because they didn't save their money or plan ahead. Guys like Larry Holmes and Rocky Marciano had pretty good legacies and saved plenty. Ditto fort Ali, he wasn't hurting for money after retirement.

- -Rocky with an unholy cash obsession post retirement is supposed to have buried whatever stash he had in cash somewhere only known to him, yet not knowing he would get caught up in an horrific storm that crashed his little plane. Ali was supposed to have slipped his widow some funds to tide her over much like Frazier did for him before their first fight.

This the media anecdotal, but I've never seen an authoritative Hauser like source to give the full picture of that aftermath.

[GhostofDempsey]

But that's because they didn't save their money or plan ahead. Guys like Larry Holmes and Rocky Marciano had pretty good legacies and saved plenty. Ditto fort Ali, he wasn't hurting for money after retirement.

Marciano mishandled much of his money. As frugal as he was, he had an insane compulsion to be paid in cash, then he would literally hide it like a squirrel and not tell anyone where it was. When he died his family could never find where he hid much of his money. Estimated in the hundreds of thousands and possibly as much as $2 million. His family struggled financially after his death.

[Rockin']

How many fighters have ended up damaged and broke, living in the streets but have a stellar legacy in boxing?.............Rockin'

[Marchegiano]

I usually say retired men can't duck but dudes use retirement to duck so I dunno no more.

[Willie Pep 229]

Marciano mishandled much of his money. As frugal as he was, he had an insane compulsion to be paid in cash, then he would literally hide it like a squirrel and not tell anyone where it was. When he died his family could never find where he hid much of his money. Estimated in the hundreds of thousands and possibly as much as $2 million. His family struggled financially after his death.

The story is that he was hiding it at a gangster's house and told his wife if anything happens to me to go see this guy he has money saved for me.

After the plane crash Mary Ann went to the gangster and he shrugged his shoulders and said there is no money.

In regards to the cash demands, that story has to do with Al Weill. Weill was connected to Carbo and had Rocky signed to a 50-50 contract for life. (Anything associated with boxing).

Similar to the Tommy Dorsey, Frank Sinatra mess.

Rocky would appear at a speaking engagement and would refuse to take a $2000 check and ask instead for 500 in cash. Of course the sponsor would jump at it; Rocky was so embittered with Weill that he would gladly take $500 less if he could screw Weill out of his $1000 ( half).

If you ever get a chance watch on YouTube Rocky's appearance You Bet Your Life ( Groucho Marx) - he calls Weill ('his manager') a thief live on TV - you can really see how pissed off he is.

They say it ( the embitterment with Weill) goes all the way back to the second Walcott fight. Even thought he was champion they (IBC) made him accept parity with Walcott ( Walcott was being difficult and really didn't want the rematch it seems).

[billeau2]

The story is that he was hiding it at a gangster's house and told his wife if anything happens to me to go see this guy he has money saved for me.

After the plane crash Mary Ann went to the gangster and he shrugged his shoulders and said there is no money.

In regards to the cash demands, that story has to do with Al Weill. Weill was connected to Carbo and had Rocky signed to a 50-50 contract for life. (Anything associated with boxing).

Similar to the Tommy Dorsey, Frank Sinatra mess.

Rocky would appear at a speaking engagement and would refuse to take a $2000 check and ask instead for 500 in cash. Of course the sponsor would jump at it; Rocky was so embittered with Weill that he would gladly take $500 less if he could screw Weill out of his $1000 ( half).

If you ever get a chance watch on YouTube Rocky's appearance You Bet Your Life ( Groucho Marx) - he calls Weill ('his manager') a thief live on TV - you can really see how pissed off he is.

They say it ( the embitterment with Weill) goes all the way back to the second Walcott fight. Even thought he was champion they (IBC) made him accept parity with Walcott ( Walcott was being difficult and really didn't want the rematch it seems).

The article most people use as a standard for the truth regarding Marciano was written in Sports illustrated. It was IMO well done and very candid. I have usually found some of the best articles about boxing and wrestling in Playboy and Penthouse... such upcomers (at the time) as Norman Mailer wrote a great piece on Foreman (as an example). I believe the patronage of a magazine with resources is integral to a well done piece... These articles pay well and can give a writer a budget, etc. I wrote a cover story for "Black Belt Magazine" back around the late ninities... Black Belt was/is the most widely circulated martial arts mag in the world... My check? around 600 bucks. How good can research and development be, when your take is peanuts like that?

[Willie Pep 229]

The article most people use as a standard for the truth regarding Marciano was written in Sports illustrated. It was IMO well done and very candid. I have usually found some of the best articles about boxing and wrestling in Playboy and Penthouse... such upcomers (at the time) as Norman Mailer wrote a great piece on Foreman (as an example). I believe the patronage of a magazine with resources is integral to a well done piece... These articles pay well and can give a writer a budget, etc. I wrote a cover story for "Black Belt Magazine" back around the late ninities... Black Belt was/is the most widely circulated martial arts mag in the world... My check? around 600 bucks. How good can research and development be, when your take is peanuts like that?

Are you referring g to the Willian Nack article '"The Rock" ?

Not popular with Rocky's fans. I think this is the one with both the gangster money and suitcase filled with sex toys. I haven't read it since it came out.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/vault.s...tery-out-of-it

[QueensburyRules]

I wrote a cover story for "Black Belt Magazine" back around the late ninities... Black Belt was/is the most widely circulated martial arts mag in the world... My check? around 600 bucks. How good can research and development be, when your take is peanuts like that?

- -Heh, heh, true belabored confessions of a hack's hack is it now?

[billeau2]

Are you referring g to the Willian Nack article '"The Rock" ?

Not popular with Rocky's fans. I think this is the one with both the gangster money and suitcase filled with sex toys. I haven't read it since it came out.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/vault.s...tery-out-of-it

Yes! that is the one. I trust it... I look to motive. Nobody would want to sully Marciano, some would ethically find it responsible not to sugar coat. Also look at who the guy spoke with. Im quite sure he took some incoming for the article. Sorry I should have posted a link...but yes that is the one.