Is Duran the greatest fighter still alive today?

[them_apples]

Because he thought he was a cheat. But that's irrelevant because Manny agreed to the testing. What stopped the fight from taking place was him needing 24 days to recover from giving 2 tbsps of blood.

Which is entirely unreasonable. You just specifically pick out a fighter and demand we change the rules because you think he's a cheat. Why nobody else?

I would be annoyed too with that demand if I was a high profile fighter like Manny. Who is Floyd to change the rules. Knowing every other day some fool is drawing blood from my arm because my oponent demanded it, and nobody else has to go through that.

Leonard sort of started these ***** moves, like making Hagler come to a catchweight at the end of his career, when clearly that was the hardest point in his career to make 160 alone. And then also fighting him at the tail end. Not here to rag on SRL who was a great fighter, but that seemed to be the beginning. Floyd took it to another level. He literally wouldn't fight you unless he was pretty much guaranteed to win.

it's like telling your oponent, hey, you can't fight me unless you go on a vegan diet. And saying hey what's the big deal, it's just a diet. It's probably good for you. Now hey, he's ducking me, he won't fight me just cause of the vegan diet. Well who made up the random stipulation in the first place??? Floyd

[travestyny]

Which is entirely unreasonable. You just specifically pick out a fighter and demand we change the rules because you think he's a cheat. Why nobody else?

I would be annoyed too with that demand if I was a high profile fighter like Manny. Who is Floyd to change the rules. Knowing every other day some fool is drawing blood from my arm because my oponent demanded it, and nobody else has to go through that.

Leonard sort of started these ***** moves, like making Hagler come to a catchweight at the end of his career, when clearly that was the hardest point in his career to make 160 alone. And then also fighting him at the tail end. Not here to rag on SRL who was a great fighter, but that seemed to be the beginning. Floyd took it to another level. He literally wouldn't fight you unless he was pretty much guaranteed to win.

it's like telling your oponent, hey, you can't fight me unless you go on a vegan diet. And saying hey what's the big deal, it's just a diet. It's probably good for you. Now hey, he's ducking me, he won't fight me just cause of the vegan diet. Well who made up the random stipulation in the first place??? Floyd

But that wasn't the issue per se. Sure he asked for extra testing. Pacquiao agreed to that, but with an exception. And it's his exception that was unreasonable which caused the fight not to happen.

When he asked for the testing, Pac's team said, "Ok, fine. No problem." Then he said he needed 30 days to recover from giving 2 tbsps of blood. That makes absolutely no sense at all. So Mayweather even compromised and said, "Ok then, let's give a 14 day cutoff." Manny refused that as well, only agreeing to go as low as 24 days, and that was because a video surfaced of him giving blood for the Hatton fight 24 days out.

That's the precise reason that even Freddie Roach admit that the reason the fight didn't initially happen was their (Pacquiao's) side's fault. Pacquiao asked for a certain amount of money if Mayweather came in above weight, and Mayweather said, "No problem." He didn't add some kind of unreasonable roadblock to it.

I mean, the offer was 50/50 and a 14 day cutoff. In the end, Pacquiao got 40/60 and a 0 day cutoff. Both of these offers were reasonable obviously. The first one was more reasonable than it had to be. A 14 day cutoff does nothing to guarantee a win for Mayweather at all. Also, he's obviously subject to the same requirements.

[travestyny]

You tried to discredit his concern regarding the needle by using the cheap debate trick of reductio ad absurdum and making it sound as though the blood loss was the issue when in fact it was the needle and the trauma it might cause.

So I called you on it.

Now you're trying back off.

You used a cheap BS trick and tried to disguise it as s legit question, but it wasn't. You trice mentioned the small amount of blood as if it was the issue behind his refusal.

Oh! And to answer your BS questions

But that doesn't get you off the hook. Cheap trick booobie!

By the way, I just wrote 2tbsps again....just for you.

Reductio ad absurdum, huh? Pacquiao was worried about the needle and the trauma it might cause, huh? It wasn't about the 2 tbsps of blood, right?


Check it:

In his own words, Pacquiao on blood testing

"The truth is taking blood out of my body does not seem natural to me and mentally I feel it will weaken me if blood is taken from me just days before the fight. That does not make sense to me why anyone would do that.”

https://www.espn.com/blog/dan-rafael...-blood-testing

So........I'm still waiting for where you got this notion that it was the method, and particularly, the trauma that the needle might cause. After how you ranted at me, I expect it to be forthcoming, or I'll get to rant at you for "reductio ad feces pulled from gluteus maximus."

Also, if you can't find it, you've made Pacquiao look even worse by calling his stance "absurd." Because, you know...it would mean he stalled the fight over 2 tbsps of blood.

And if you really want to get spunky if your information isn't forthcoming, you owe me an apology. I'll be waiting for you to clear this up.

[Willie Pep 229]

By the way, I just wrote 2tbsps again....just for you.

Reductio ad absurdum, huh? Pacquiao was worried about the needle and the trauma it might cause, huh? It wasn't about the 2 tbsps of blood, right?


Check it:




So........I'm still waiting for where you got this notion that it was the method, and particularly, the trauma that the needle might cause. After how you ranted at me, I expect it to be forthcoming, or I'll get to rant at you for "reductio ad feces pulled from gluteus maximus."

Also, if you can't find it, you've made Pacquiao look even worse by calling his stance "absurd." Because, you know...it would mean he stalled the fight over 2 tbsps of blood.

And if you really want to get spunky if your information isn't forthcoming, you owe me an apology. I'll be waiting for you to clear this up.

Sports Illustraed, "An Exclusive Look at the Six-Year Negotiation for Maywesther - Pacquiao," April 28th, 2015, Chris Mannix and Greg Bishop.

[Willie Pep 229]

By the way, I just wrote 2tbsps again....just for you.

Reductio ad absurdum, huh? Pacquiao was worried about the needle and the trauma it might cause, huh? It wasn't about the 2 tbsps of blood, right?


Check it:




So........I'm still waiting for where you got this notion that it was the method, and particularly, the trauma that the needle might cause. After how you ranted at me, I expect it to be forthcoming, or I'll get to rant at you for "reductio ad feces pulled from gluteus maximus."

Also, if you can't find it, you've made Pacquiao look even worse by calling his stance "absurd." Because, you know...it would mean he stalled the fight over 2 tbsps of blood.

And if you really want to get spunky if your information isn't forthcoming, you owe me an apology. I'll be waiting for you to clear this up.

Why do you foolishly believe everything a fighter says to the press. Kind of naive to approach history, depended on what a subject says about himself.

You should write on Dinald Trump, and post his Twitter quotes. It would for an interesting argument to hear you make. LOL

[Willie Pep 229]

By the way, I just wrote 2tbsps again....just for you.

Reductio ad absurdum, huh? Pacquiao was worried about the needle and the trauma it might cause, huh? It wasn't about the 2 tbsps of blood, right?


Check it:




So........I'm still waiting for where you got this notion that it was the method, and particularly, the trauma that the needle might cause. After how you ranted at me, I expect it to be forthcoming, or I'll get to rant at you for "reductio ad feces pulled from gluteus maximus."

Also, if you can't find it, you've made Pacquiao look even worse by calling his stance "absurd." Because, you know...it would mean he stalled the fight over 2 tbsps of blood.

And if you really want to get spunky if your information isn't forthcoming, you owe me an apology. I'll be waiting for you to clear this up.

But let's not lose sight that my complain in the first place was about your cheap debate tactics when demean others arguments by trying to reduce them to absurdity. E.g "Why did he need 24 days to recover from giving up 2 tbs if blood."

A BS question, period!

[travestyny]

Sports Illustraed, "An Exclusive Look at the Six-Year Negotiation for Maywesther - Pacquiao," April 28th, 2015, Chris Mannix and Greg Bishop.

Which says....?

[travestyny]

Why do you foolishly believe everything a fighter says to the press. Kind of naive to approach history, depended on what a subject says about himself.

You should write on Dinald Trump, and post his Twitter quotes. It would for an interesting argument to hear you make. LOL

LMAO. So you are saying that I shouldn't believe what PACQUIAO says about why he has a problem with blood testing????

Who should I believe then? Maybe the Pope should speak for him? Or should you speak for him? Which is it? Who should I believe about his problem with blood testing if not him. Do share, old wise one.

[travestyny]

But let's not lose sight that my complain in the first place was about your cheap debate tactics when demean others arguments by trying to reduce them to absurdity. E.g "Why did he need 24 days to recover from giving up 2 tbs if blood."

A BS question, period!

LMAOOO. Yea, a cheap tactic. Here is from your own link:

Because, his camp noted, Pacquiao had suffered an adverse reaction to blood testing two days before a 2005 loss to Erik Morales, he would not agree to being tested within 30 days of the fight. "With Manny it was mental," says Roach, Pacquiao's trainer.

Where the hell does that say anything about trauma caused from a needle?


An "adverse reaction" meaning that he felt weak by giving 2 tbsps of blood (2 days later, I might add). That it was "mental."


You done fvvcked up, Willie. And you owe me an apology for your foolish rant. I gave you the damn quotations straight from Manny's mouth...and your ABSURD argument is that I shouldn't believe what he said. Talk about ABSURD


Looks like it's you with the cheap tactic.

[Willie Pep 229]

LMAOOO. Yea, a cheap tactic. Here is from your own link:




Where the hell does that say anything about trauma caused from a needle?


An "adverse reaction" meaning that he felt weak by giving 2 tbsps of blood (2 days later, I might add). That it was "mental."


You done fvvcked up, Willie. And you owe me an apology for your foolish rant. I gave you the damn quotations straight from Manny's mouth...and your ABSURD argument is that I shouldn't believe what he said. Talk about ABSURD


Looks like it's you with the cheap tactic.

Didn't Pac complianed about not wanting the needle but your people mocked him silly asking then why does he have tattoos - is that why he changed to blood loss. Or did your side just make up that he said he feared needles as a lie?

Now I wonder which that is.

If you look back at my post you'll see I stated I didn't know his actuall aversion but ( according to SI) that it was trauma enough to let him convince himself that it was the cause of his defeat and he wasn't going to repeat it. They ( SI) didn't buy the blood loss line either, did they? They kept it as "an adversion."

But you needed to reduce that to an absurdity so you could demean him and in came the " 2tbs" BS.

Once again the details aren't the issue here it is the manner in which you demean fighters, (calling Jeffries a coward) others opinions, arguments, and insights by reducing them to an absurd statement or question and then DEMAND that they answer your bias loaded questions.

I find it annoying so I annoy you.

Also beside your constant shaping of facts into absurdities you also love to confuse by creating false value to sources and opinions by using glittering terminology.

You most recent crime in this area is the over use of the phrase 'stricter drug testing' thus making it sound as though Pac was avoiding a more comprehensive test; it took me five posts or so to figure out you meant nothing more than a shorter timeframe. (Besides wasn't it your guy who wanted and got an exception?)

Too much hyperbole.

You can choose to ignore me; I shall endeavor to leave you alone.