Fights Johnson never made

**GhostofDempsey** · 05-03-2021, 02:37 PM

12 July 1910 the New York Times wrote that Johnson has indicated he would fight ANY man for the title provided he got a $50K purse and $20K side bet. Essentially pricing out other black fighters like Langford, McVey and Jeannette who had trouble meeting his original $30K demand, let alone $70K.

**travestyny** · 05-03-2021, 04:17 PM

LMAO. I just posted about this and all the times he accepted. Have at it again

Three times Johnson agreed to fight Langford:

1. September 1910: Jack Johnson and Sam Langford agree to meet at a newspaper office to make the fight. It is agreed that Langford will post $20,000 within 24 hours. Johnson says he will post $1000 right away with a stakeholder to be forked over if he doesn't match the offer, and will post the other $19,000 once Sam's money is posted. He says he will be in town several days waiting for Sam to post the $20,000. Sam and his team fail to post the money. This is all confirmed by Clay Moyle and various newspaper articles. ABlK5G.png

And what happened in the end according to Clay Moyle??? Sam and his manager refused to post the money. From Moyle's book on Sam Langford: uwZG2F.png

2. January 1911: Jack Johnson agreed to fight Langford over 6 rounds at Jack O'Brien's club. Langford agreed and then left town. Confirmed by various newspaper articles and by Jack O'brien himself.

Originally posted by Jack Johnson

I went to Philadelphia to Jack O'Brien's club. Jack offered $10,000 for me to fight Langford. I grabbed at it, and the match was made all excepting getting Mistah Langford to sign. He ran away. The next thing I hear the Langford man was going to Europe as fast as he could, and I am not going to chase him.

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Re: Jack O'Brien

3. October 1912: Jack Johnson signs a contract to fight Sam Langford and Sam McVey in Australia. The fight is pulled by the promoter after Johnson is busted on the fraudulent Mann Act charge. 8RV6Dc.png

Even this newspaper article that is ragging on Jack Johnson can admit to that. Y08fJv.png

I don't know in what universe 3 acceptances is equal to zero, but carry on and disprove that these instances happened. By the way, I also see McVey mentioned there, and the other thread already exposed your lie about Joe Jeannette. But I'll be waiting for you to change my mind with facts.

**travestyny** · 05-03-2021, 04:21 PM

September 1910 is listed above. You guys should really do some research before you embarrass yourselves any further

**Willie Pep 229** · 05-03-2021, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by travestyny

September 1910 is listed above. You guys should really do some research before you embarrass yourselves any further

I checked out the inflation calculator for 20K - Johnson gave a Negro fighter ( who we all agree spent most of his career fighting for meal money) 24 hours to come with a half a million dollars. Then he left town and your selling that as a legit offer?

**travestyny** · 05-03-2021, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by Willie Pep 229

I checked out the inflation calculator for 20K - Johnson gave a Negro fighter ( who we all agree spent most of his career fighting for meal money) 24 hours to come with a half a million dollars. Then he left town and your selling that as a legit offer?

Nope. He said that he would stay in the city "several days and would cover the money anytime within that timeframe that Sam posted the money."

They were supposed to post the $20,000 right then and there but agreed that it would be posted later. If Sam and manager couldn't post it, they should have said so instead of agreeing to it, right?

Here you go. From Clay Moyle's book:

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**Willie Pep 229** · 05-03-2021, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by travestyny

Nope. He said that he would stay in town for a couple of days waiting to accept.

They were supposed to post the $20,000 right then and there but agreed that it would be posted later. If Sam and manager couldn't post it, they should have said so instead of agreeing to it, right?

No!

it said 24 hours.

No!

Langford should say and do anything to try and get that fight. That's the nature of the business.

Let me get on record here. If I was handlling Johndon I would never have him waste a fight on a Black challenger. That's just throwing away money

McVea, Langford, Jeannette would be lucky if I let them appear on the undercard. I wouldn't want the card to turn too black; lose White patrons that way.

It's PRIZE fighting and they didn't being enough to the table.

The only viable venue/location for Johnson vs. (any one of) the Holly Three was Paris, 1913.

Then and there it could have happened, why didn't it?

**travestyny** · 05-03-2021, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by Willie Pep 229

No!

it said 24 hours.

No!

Langford should say and do anything to try and get that fight. That's the nature of the business.

Let me get on record here. If I was handlling Johndon I would never have him waste a fight on a Black challenger. That's just throwing away money

McVea, Langford, Jeannette would be lucky if I let them appear on the undercard. I wouldn't want the card to turn too black; lose White patrons that way.

It's PRIZE fighting and they didn't being enough to the table.

The only viable venue/location for Johnson vs. (any one of) the Holly Three was Paris, 1913.

Then and there it could have happened, why didn't it?

No? Do you want the full page. I'm not trying to give away too much of Clay's work, but have at it.

Johnson clearly says he will stay in the town for several days and would match the amount anytime in that time frame.

Here you go. Refer to the penultimate paragraph.

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If that is the agreement that they came to, that is the agreement that they came to. I don't see the issue.

As for Paris, feel free to show the offers.

**GhostofDempsey** · 05-03-2021, 06:25 PM

Johnson on several occasions admitted that Langford was too much for him. Hugh McIntosh cited a couple of times Johnson confided in him he wasn't going to fight Langford.

"Say, Mister Mac, You're only wasting your time talking to me. I don't want to fight that little smoke. He's got a chance against anyone in the world. I'm the first black champion and I'm going to be the last". ~ Jack Johnson

When Johnson "agreed" to fight Langford and McVey in Australia for a guaranteed $50K, he had no intention of carrying out that promise. He then moved the goal post yet again and insisted McIntosh had to forfeit $15k in the U.S. instead of Australia. This was typical of Johnson, always coming up with excuses to avoid Langford and other fighters he didn't want to fight.

**GhostofDempsey** · 05-03-2021, 06:32 PM

Jack Johnson:

"I'd fight a bear for $30K"

Reporter:

"Will you fight Sam Langford?"

Jack Johnson:

"He ain't no bear, he's a wildcat!"

Fort Wayne Sentinel, 6 Jun 1911

Fights Johnson never made