Gene Tunney: Would his style be effective in any era?

[QueensburyRules]

- -Re: Jack London.

Morphine a key ingredient in Laudanum as a popular cure all tonic in the day especially for the relief of pain. It has sadly been removed from the public pharmacopeia by the Draconian War on Drug ****s who have failed so miserably that school kids are procuring fentanyl laced drugs in schools with tragic results.

At any rate, kidney disease is very painful as kidneys are very sensitive as anyone with kidney stones knows. I personally don't know the results of any official investigation into his death, but those investigations highly limited in the day, and end of the day, an overdose of morphine just as fatal as uremic poisoning that even in this modern age defies reliable medical care.

In short, London was doomed no matter the investigative result such that it becomes the most trivial talking point that could be made.

[billeau2]

- -Folks have been "off grid" for 99% of folks' history on this earth and are currently experiencing "off grid" routinely as western democracies lurch into abject failure.

Billy's failure to unhitch Salinger, Ginsbert, and Kerouac from this forum shows his limitations in accomplishing his goals as yet.

Its True... Ginsbert really had an effect on me! Almost as much as Ginsberg.

[billeau2]

It seems there is yet another conspiracy theory out there: this one is regarding London's death.

An original and very unpopular rumor was that he off-ed himself over a woman. This has been debunked, although it came from a good source (a friend) it looks like he had some motive to spread the story, but no clue as to why.

Wonder if London would have been amused? It certainly is a more romantic way to go out, and one has to believe London was a romantic.

He just might have approved, or maybe even suggested the friend float the story for fun. LOL -- OK, maybe I'm the romantic.

But a later (conspiracy) theory emerged arguing that London chose to check out early instead of waiting out the suffering of his bad kidneys killing him.

The problem is that the doctors are adamant that London died naturally from "internal poisoning" - BUT then again they would be the responsible parties for explaining the several empty vials of morphine laying about the floor.

Kind of a Michael Jackson twist to it. Way too much meds in the hands of the patient and doctors claiming privilege.

Either way his kidneys took him out not a Hawaiian cutie.

Yeah I had heard that it was Suicide and keep in mind that In "Martin Eden" which was semi-autobiographical the main Protagonist commits suicide. But I would probably say, as Houdini noted, Okham's Razor applies here... He may have done too much Morphine knowing what would occur... But again, apparently it was a rumor and not a fact.

[The Old LefHook]

Eat glass. By no proof I mean no film of any Greb fight. In case you didn't know.

Since you have no proof you merely claim that reality is what you would prefer it to be. You don't like Tunney, so he must have run from Greb. Powerful reasoning.

[Willie Pep 229]

I'm not so blown away by the dempsey-tunney-greb trio. Mostly I think in pretty much any other era they'd've had far more losses.

Billuea puts a respectful spin on it but facts are Tunney couldn't finish off a guy whose last loss was a KO loss that featured multiple KDs prior against a black man with no hope of being champion and not exactly a high KO% to his name. What happens if Tunney has to actually face winners instead?

It looks like a honkey cricle jerk promoted by honks for honks so honks can circlejerk in public and not feel ******. That said, if that's my interpretation of them in their time then I probably translate them to new eras quite a lot weaker than most because I am less impressed than most.


Yeah, Tunney wouldn't look like the relic he is against say Spinks, he'd just be another white boy who took a licking from Spinks is all.

Who is this fighter?

[HOUDINI563]

Tunney and Dempsey were so highly skilled it’s just over the top. Many of the skills/style they exhibited don’t exist today.

[them_apples]

I say yes. Any time I watch film of him fighting I am struck by how smooth and fluid he moves.

If a time machine existed you could transport him to any light heavyweight era and he would be a top fighter in my opinion. Could even be a terror in a few heavyweight eras as well.

Tunney invented a whole lot of contemporary boxing moves. he turns his head on a 45 degree angle after throwing a right cross, so the counter left hook is hitting a slanted surface which is also covered in Vaseline. kinda like a russian t34 having shells bounce off its slanted armor.

I used to call it riding the punches but its actually a bit different, I noticed james toney using it in those old sparring videos of him vs Danny Green - where the footage is up close and the gloves are bigger slowing it down allowing you to see. he instinctively is always placing his head on angles. tunney did this all the time. Because we are going so far back boxing didnt really polish up its aesthetic as much as today, but the fighters were very crafty and skillful, not to mention tough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CO2f_zAHMuo&t=191s

look at old Joes subtle headmovement and angles, watch closely he walks forward the entire time and barely gets hit with any real punches.

[QueensburyRules]

Billeau2's single off grid thread has contributed more of value to the forums here then your entire posting history.

- -Folks have been "off grid" for 99% of folks' history on this earth and are currently experiencing "off grid" routinely as western democracies lurch into abject failure.

Billy's failure to unhitch Salinger, Ginsbert, and Kerouac from this forum shows his limitations in accomplishing his goals as yet.

[Willie Pep 229]

Yes... It was a popular sentiment at the time. You had the Great Gatsby of course, but around the same time a book was written by Jack London, most people feel it was semi autobiographical in Nature... "Martin Eden." It describes very much this desire to use all things to try to improve one's station in life. Like Tunney, who was alas... a pug; London was, at the end of the day, an intelligent Strevedore. And this great tension developed with both men, knowing that despite education and eventual means, Nobody in the Gatsby Class would ever truly accept them as anything more than exotics... Alienated from all classes, London eventually committed suicide and Tunney apparently drunk himself into oblivion.

I believe that the pathetic and petty nature of America in the 20's with its parvenues and old money, eventually led to the Melting Pot that to this day is probably the true ingenius product that defines America even more than the constitution. Instead of sctratching and clawing with the ***s, the Blacks, the Irish, the Italians (and to quote Archer Bunker "the regular Americans")... to be accepted by a decedent Bourgasei, people embraced being an American. Class consciousness went the way of the Horse and Buggy... At least to the regular folks... There will always be a power elite unfortunately.

Catcher in the Rye, though later, written by Salinger is really about the same sort of thing... it really hammers the point home IMO.

It seems there is yet another conspiracy theory out there: this one is regarding London's death.

An original and very unpopular rumor was that he off-ed himself over a woman. This has been debunked, although it came from a good source (a friend) it looks like he had some motive to spread the story, but no clue as to why.

Wonder if London would have been amused? It certainly is a more romantic way to go out, and one has to believe London was a romantic.

He just might have approved, or maybe even suggested the friend float the story for fun. LOL -- OK, maybe I'm the romantic.

But a later (conspiracy) theory emerged arguing that London chose to check out early instead of waiting out the suffering of his bad kidneys killing him.

The problem is that the doctors are adamant that London died naturally from "internal poisoning" - BUT then again they would be the responsible parties for explaining the several empty vials of morphine laying about the floor.

Kind of a Michael Jackson twist to it. Way too much meds in the hands of the patient and doctors claiming privilege.

Either way his kidneys took him out not a Hawaiian cutie.

[ShoulderRoll]

As fas as punch variety, Tunney had it but didn't always utilize it. He made heavy use of the 1-2 along with lateral movement and circling. I would guess that was a good 60-70% of his offense from the film I've seen.

Very effective with that alone.

He was well schooled though. Knew how and when to use other punches plus how to fight on the inside when necessary. He wasn't limited like, say, Wladimir Klitschko.

- -Oh, my, U now ensconced wif Salinger, Ginsberg, and Kerouac!

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Billeau2's single off grid thread has contributed more of value to the forums here then your entire posting history.