Why is there no ring film of Harry Greb?

[Willie Pep 229]

You do realize like 5 out of 7 fighters b(not exact numbers) Dempsey beat from 1919 on Greb had beaten, right? And anything Greb said about Tunney after their last fight is irrelevant. Styles make fight. Obviously Greb had a style that would bother Dempsey.

I think Greb's style is ready made for Dempsey. A MW without a KO punch wants to trade with Jack Dempsey? Didn't you say, that Greb said, 'all I have to do is not hit the floor'? Seems Greb had a more realistic view of how dangerous Dempsey was.

We have only talked about the 'duck' not the possible fight.

I think Dempsey finds Greb easier than Carpentier. He walks through Greb's punches as he did Carpenteir's; the only thing Greb can do is trade with him. Remember you said, Greb said, that Dempsey was 'easy to hit,' but at the time was Dempsey trying to hunt him down or just work out?

Everyone Dempsey fought found Dempsey easy to hit, even lumbering Firpo, but Dempsey had this nasty tendency to hit back, hard!

Dempsey blows Greb out in one (as he did 25 other fighters) unless of course Rickard once again says: "Jack I need four" then Greb gets to stay as long as Carpentier, no more.

[GhostofDempsey]

You do realize like 5 out of 7 fighters b(not exact numbers) Dempsey beat from 1919 on Greb had beaten, right? And anything Greb said about Tunney after their last fight is irrelevant. Styles make fight. Obviously Greb had a style that would bother Dempsey.

Fred Fulton is credited as the only man to have stopped Langford inside the distance. Dempsey knocked out Fulton with ease. Does that mean Dempsey beats Langford? I happen to think Greb’s style is perfect for Dempsey. The prime Dempsey who beat Willard would maul the smaller Greb.

[HOUDINI563]

Greb doing well during several sparring sessions with 12-14 oz sparring gloves does not equate to him beating Dempsey in a real bout.

Greb was a middleweight and he would be entering the ring against one of the most powerful punchers in boxing history. First solid blow to a vital area would end the fight.

This was probably self evident by most of the boxing public at that time. I highly doubt a huge crowd would pay to see a 160 pound fighter get obliterated by a worlds heavyweight champion.

The last time a similar bout occurred was when middleweight champion Ketchel challenged Johnson. Johnson, not considered a puncher of Dempseys level, rendered his opponent completely unconscious with his first punch with bad intentions.

Would anyone pay to see Monzon fight prime Foreman in 1974 even if he had won decisions over a few leading heavyweights? I lived thought the era...they would have not. All would realize one punch ends it.

[travestyny]

Greb doing well during several sparring sessions with 12-14 oz sparring gloves does not equate to him beating Dempsey in a real bout.

Greb was a middleweight and he would be entering the ring against one of the most powerful punchers in boxing history. First solid blow to a vital area would end the fight.

This was probably self evident by most of the boxing public at that time. I highly doubt a huge crowd would pay to see a 160 pound fighter get obliterated by a worlds heavyweight champion.

The last time a similar bout occurred was when middleweight champion Ketchel challenged Johnson. Johnson, not considered a puncher of Dempseys level, rendered his opponent completely unconscious with his first punch with bad intentions.

Would anyone pay to see Monzon fight prime Foreman in 1974 even if he had won decisions over a few leading heavyweights? I lived thought the era...they would have not. All would realize one punch ends it.

That certainly could explain the lack of offers and Greb's name not even appearing as a write-in to the 1922 poll.

[Marchegiano]

Clearly it's because Trav done scared off the only man in the world who has a Greb fight.

Not seen Z in a while

[travestyny]

Clearly it's because Trav done scared off the only man in the world who has a Greb fight.

Not seen Z in a while

He's going with the Peek A Boo style. Drops in every now and then with the same old idiocy and repeats a week later. I think he was trying to buy time thinking that Clay Moyle would come in with some information that doesn't exist. lol

[JAB5239]

Gentlemen, you can pick Dempsey to beat Greb till the cows come home. Surely you would have picked him to beat all those fighters he defeated that Greb had already beaten as well. That doesn't mean Harry should have been left out while Jack fought leftovers of Greb. In a 15 round fight I would also pick Dempsey to finally wear Greb down late in a fight that he looked horrible in up until that point. I base this on the sparring sessions between the two. And that was an in shape Dempsey preparing for Miske. After the first session Jack wouldn't have wanted to be embarrassed again, but he was still taken to task. Is it an indicator of how a true fight would go? Difficult to say. But Greb should have still been given an opportunity.

[Willie Pep 229]

Gentlemen, you can pick Dempsey to beat Greb till the cows come home. Surely you would have picked him to beat all those fighters he defeated that Greb had already beaten as well. That doesn't mean Harry should have been left out while Jack fought leftovers of Greb. In a 15 round fight I would also pick Dempsey to finally wear Greb down late in a fight that he looked horrible in up until that point. I base this on the sparring sessions between the two. And that was an in shape Dempsey preparing for Miske. After the first session Jack wouldn't have wanted to be embarrassed again, but he was still taken to task. Is it an indicator of how a true fight would go? Difficult to say. But Greb should have still been given an opportunity.

What is your source for this purported beating Dempsey took?

[Willie Pep 229]

I do not believe 1920s fans thoight of Greb at the level he is now been risen to . . . Greb didn't become a top tier fighter (in the minds if the fans) until he beat Tunney in 1922 and then he dropped (unfairly or not) all the rematches.

How some fans feel today about Greb is how 1920s fans actually felt about Dempsey. Dempsey was a U guy! (thought unbeatable). Greb was never that guy in the 1920s. Funny how some fans today think he was that guy.

[JAB5239]

I do not believe 1920s fans thoight of Greb at the level he is now been risen to . . . Greb didn't become a top tier fighter (in the minds if the fans) until he beat Tunney in 1922 and then he dropped (unfairly or not) all the rematches.

How some fans feel today about Greb is how 1920s fans actually felt about Dempsey. Dempsey was a U guy! (thought unbeatable). Greb was never that guy in the 1920s. Funny how some fans today think he was that guy.

https://tss.ib.tv/boxing/articles-of...one-harry-greb

https://www.harrygreb.com/dempsey_greb.html

https://coxscorner.tripod.com/greb.html

There is much more stuff out there, these are just the easiest to find. About 10 years ago I spent a few weeks digging up newspaper articles related to Dempsey and Greb. Id actually like to do it again because it was fascinating reading. Mind you not everything I found was in Greb's favor concerning a fight with Dempsey, but most was. The fight should have happened. If you disagree so be it. But nothing except a treasure trove of new articles from that time period that proclaim Greb as undeserving or less capable the the men Dempsey fought instead of him will change my mind.