Manny Pacquiao Is Not An 8 Division World Champion

[JAB5239]

true, except... it aint a title, it is just an award

BIG diff !

I agree, and for the reason I stated. Lineal has its place, but if a fighter doesn't fight the best is it even meaningful?

[Anthony342]

I agree, and for the reason I stated. Lineal has its place, but if a fighter doesn't fight the best is it even meaningful?

The TBRB one is because it's only given if the best fight the best. But I don't think they even give out championship belts yet at this point. With their strict criteria, sounds like they should though.

[QueensburyRules]

- -TBRB? Weren't he the squatty Star Wars good guy robot for all U lineal 'rasslin' jellies? History section being not stranger than fiction, but rather light enough in their loafers to fly with Peter Pan and Tinker Bell. End of the day, Manny up with SRRobinson with the people on an unprecedented International poll.

[Marchegiano]

[SIZE=12px][FONT=Calibri][FONT=Verdana]Marchegiano, not to being rude, but I see your post as a defense talk for today's boxing orgs and their frequent dubious acts.

In my world, there can only be one world champion at the time.
It’s common sense in every other sport.

How proboxing has developed, there is no sense at all.
And sadly, the younger generation of followers have accepted, that there isn’t any need for it.
There are still room for plenty of more world champions … in every division … at the same time …

Cambridge Dictionary definition of ‘champion’: Someone who has beaten all other competitors in a competition.

I didn't intend to defend or demonize anything to be honest. I just meant to express a lack of history in the historical title.

As far as one champion, I agree, I just don't think there is an authority, including informal consensus, with any more respectability than a single fan's opinion. If you were to tell me you believe X is the greatest in their division I don't really need any justifications let alone better and more consistent explanations than the bodies or consensus to respect that as much as the bodies or consensus choices. They are all flawed. Consensus is really flighty and shifts shape as new fans replace old. The bodies' era of commendable acts has long been over. A single man with a single idea lacks the ability to route out all bias. There is no good answer, just nonsense to waste time talking about

[Ben Bolt]

I didn't intend to defend or demonize anything to be honest.

I know. I enjoy your posts.

Today’s big boxing sites/magazines are working in the same spirit as the orgs, i.e. they don’t want to co-operate.
But what if they did? Agreeing on publish the same, independent rankings … But they don’t and won’t.

Today’s boxing journalists are to blame as much as the orgs for maintaining proboxing’s chaotic situation. One day they criticize the actions by the orgs, the next day they have uncritically accepted the actions. Kind of, we’re back in the days of 100 years ago when newspaper decisions told us the most truthful outcome of a fight, with the exception that nowadays the journalists let the orgs having the final word.

Well, as I lost count of all these world champs in boxing, in recent years I’ve moved on to other sports. At least, the champions of those sports are countable, and you get a clear picture of why they are labeled champions.

[Anthony342]

I didn't intend to defend or demonize anything to be honest. I just meant to express a lack of history in the historical title.

As far as one champion, I agree, I just don't think there is an authority, including informal consensus, with any more respectability than a single fan's opinion. If you were to tell me you believe X is the greatest in their division I don't really need any justifications let alone better and more consistent explanations than the bodies or consensus to respect that as much as the bodies or consensus choices. They are all flawed. Consensus is really flighty and shifts shape as new fans replace old. The bodies' era of commendable acts has long been over. A single man with a single idea lacks the ability to route out all bias. There is no good answer, just nonsense to waste time talking about

Good points. What do you think about the new TBRB boxing rankings that were designed to be a new unbiased authority and an alternative to the corrupt ABC orgs?

[MED_1978]

Many refer to the great Manny Pacquiao as an 8 division champion when that isn't really true. Let's take a look at his world title victories

WBC Flyweight (112) vs Chatchai Sasakul

IBF Super bantamweight (122) vs Lehlohonolo Ledwaba

Never won an official World Title at 126 (No The Ring is not a sanctioning body)

WBC Super featherweight (130) vs Juan Manuel Marquez

WBC Lightweight (135) vs David Diaz

Once again never beat an official champion at 140 as The Ring is not a sanctioning body

Won the WBO Welterweight (147) by beating Miguel Cotto at a catchweight at 144 pounds. Doesn't count in my book.

Once again won the WBC Light middleweight (154) by beating Antonio Margarito at a catchweight of 150 pounds. Doesn't count in my book.

Won WBA Welterweight (147) vs Keith Thurman.


So in reality he is a 5 division champion not 8.

I know some will view this as hate but it's just me pointing out the truth.

I am a fan of Pacquaio and agree with all except WBC Light Middleweight, it was sanctioned for the belt regardless of catchweight, 147lbs is the welterweight limit so if you weigh over this, technically it is Light middleweight. So 150lbs is Light Middleweight. I Class Manny as a 6 division champ, but if he would have been more diligent in collecting weight class belts as he could've won 10.

[QueensburyRules]

I'd be inclined to give him the 154 title being that it was sanctioned (whether I like it or not....though I do agree with the thread starter in principle), but otherwise I agree.

- -The OP is infantile like U, so of course U agree.

[markusmod]

The Ring is lineal most of the time. I agree though because he only won one belt in most of those weight classes. Only lineal or undisputed should count, just like with number of title defenses.

Yes, some of his titles are lineal titles.

[HOUDINI563]

The issue is applicable for most if not all multi title holders the past 30 plus years.

Too many titles available so gaining one is “cheap”. THEN you have the issue of legit champions vs paper champions. Today it’s relatively easy to be a multi belt/multi division holder but it means little. One cannot compare the accomplishments of say Henry Armstrong who held three legit world championships against Paq who held 8. It was far more difficult to win a championship when their was only one champion per division and only 8 total divisions.