Post You All-Time Great Lists! (No Trolls)

[StarshipTrooper]

If you haven't seen much of Walker fight how can you say you base your lists of overall ability?

people could have said he was great but we will never know if there is hardly any footage.

we have a guy like Johnson who looked downright terrible when he fights, lunging in, chin exposed, getting dropped by men much smaller and weaker than him. Now unless we go by accomplishments a man like he shouldn't even touch the ATg list. Accomplishments wise - he may however. IMO.

While I know you have a well documented antipathy for boxing historians in the cases of fighters who lack available footage I rely on the expertise of those historians and what they estimate the abilities of those fighters are. I have Johnson ranked #3 at Heavyweight btw, based on what boxing historians have documented his abilities to be. Remember, I'm not one of those who think pre-1960 fighters were aweful.

Poet

[them_apples]

While I know you have a well documented antipathy for boxing historians in the cases of fighters who lack available footage I rely on the expertise of those historians and what they estimate the abilities of those fighters are. I have Johnson ranked #3 at Heavyweight btw, based on what boxing historians have documented his abilities to be. Remember, I'm not one of those who think pre-1960 fighters were aweful.

Poet

I don't think that either, I have some fighters pre 1960 that i'd like to call my favorites.

I was using Johnson as an example.

Who are you picking this saturday btw

[StarshipTrooper]

I don't think that either, I have some fighters pre 1960 that i'd like to call my favorites.

I was using Johnson as an example.

Who are you picking this saturday btw

I'm not picking I'm afraid: Too many unknowns. Mayweather's coming off a long layoff, Marquez is at the point where he could get old overnight. I hate picking matchups with too many X factors lol.

Poet

[Boxing_12]

The only thing I care about is who's better, not who got the most accolades. When football fans discuss compare the '79 Steelers and the '72 Dolphins they're usually arguing over who was better, not who won the most games. I don't see this as any different. When I rank fighters I'm doing so on the basis of if they all had to fight each other how would the standings shake out.....simple as that.

Poet

so what your saying is you ranking is based of fansty fights?

[StarshipTrooper]

so what your saying is you ranking is based of fansty fights?

Not in the sense of Fighter A beats Fighter B so A is better than B. It's more in the sense of all fighting all and who comes out on top with the best record and how the standings fall from the top down. If you had all the great Heavyweights fight each other 5 times I can easily see Ali coming out with the most wins for example.

Poet

[JAB5239]

1. Joe Louis
2. Sugar Ray Robinson
3. Thomas Hearns
4. Terry Norris
5. Roy Jones Jr
6. Marvin Hagler
7. Sugar Ray Leonard
8. James Toney
9. Muhammad Ali
10. Joe Calzaghe
11. Roberto Duran
12. Evander Holyfield
13. Oscar De La Hoya
14. Mike McCallum
15. Rocky Marciano
16. Sonny Liston
17. Wilfred Benitez
18. Michael Spinks
19. Rid**** Bowe
20. Julio Cesar Chavez
21. Felix Trinidad
22. Shane Mosley
23. Nigel Benn
24. Steve Collins
25. Bernard Hopkins
26. Matthew Saad Muhammad
27. Sumbu Kalambay
28. Mike Tyson
29. Joe Frazier
30. Jack Dempsey
31. Michael Nunn
32. Mike Tyson
33. Winky Wright
34. Virgil Hill
35. George Foreman
36. Larry Holmes
37. Chris Eubank
38. Henry Maske
39. Kostya Tszyu
40. Dariusz Michalczewski

Is this a list of your personal favorites or who you think were the p4p best?

[Stoppage]

Is this a list of your personal favorites or who you think were the p4p best?

Sadly, he said it's his p4p best list.

[JAB5239]

Sadly, he said it's his p4p best list.

I can only sit back, shake my head and laugh than.

[GJC]

1. Joe Louis
2. Sugar Ray Robinson
3. Thomas Hearns
4. Terry Norris
5. Roy Jones Jr
6. Marvin Hagler
7. Sugar Ray Leonard
8. James Toney
9. Muhammad Ali
10. Joe Calzaghe
11. Roberto Duran
12. Evander Holyfield
13. Oscar De La Hoya
14. Mike McCallum
15. Rocky Marciano
16. Sonny Liston
17. Wilfred Benitez
18. Michael Spinks
19. Rid**** Bowe
20. Julio Cesar Chavez
21. Felix Trinidad
22. Shane Mosley
23. Nigel Benn
24. Steve Collins
25. Bernard Hopkins
26. Matthew Saad Muhammad
27. Sumbu Kalambay
28. Mike Tyson
29. Joe Frazier
30. Jack Dempsey
31. Michael Nunn
32. Mike Tyson
33. Winky Wright
34. Virgil Hill
35. George Foreman
36. Larry Holmes
37. Chris Eubank
38. Henry Maske
39. Kostya Tszyu
40. Dariusz Michalczewski

Very modern feel to your list but you don't feel Whitaker of fairly modern fighters makes the top 100?
No Armstrong or Pep is suprising too?
Still your list is your list thanks for posting.

[GJC]

Sorry I meant to say 40.