Guess you could call him the white Tyrell Biggs
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Originally posted by Davros? View PostI always remember him from the Norton fight. On a side note I remember reading that Knoetze was a bastard that shot a black guy and disabled him.
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Knoetze was involved in pound for pound one of the best staredowns ever, it lasted through like 2 national anthems and referee instructions if I remember correctly. I think it was against Denton Ruddock. Knoetze had a heck of a right hand.
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Originally posted by Benncollinsaad View PostI was wondering; how would you rate Duane Bobick? He has a great record, 48 wins, 42 ko's and only 4 losses. Yet all the losses are against the best opponents he faced. He did beat Mike Weaver, but while Weaver was not yet in his prime. In Bobick's defense, he did get stunned by that punch to the Adam's apple against Norton. Not sure wether they should have allowed that.
One thing is certain tho: along with Jerry Quarry he was the only good white American heavyweight of the 70's.
Ali had been grooming Lar and was busting Howie nonstop with glowing Lar reviews when Bobick knocked him down hard. Shut up motormouth Ali for the first time in his life as poor Lar didn't know where he was anymore.
Ken Norton was chosen to man up, and BTW, blow to the adam's apple or any part of the neck is legal.
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The "Great White Hopes" from Marciano to Klitschko (1956 - 2000):
(United States unless otherwise noted)
Wladimir Klitschko, Ukraine
Vitali Klitschko, Ukraine
Jerry Quarry
Gerry Cooney
George Chuvalo, Canada
Tommy Morrison
Gerrie Coetzee, South Africa
Joe Bugner, England
Ingemar Johansson, Sweden
Bob Cleroux, Canada
Andrew Golota, Poland
Henry Cooper, England
Rex Layne
Oscar Bonavena, Argentina
Roy Harris
Corrie Sanders, South Africa
Karl Mildenberger, West Germany
Duane Bobick
Mike DeJohn
Lou Savaresse
John Dino Denis
Boone Kirkman
Harry Kid Matthews
Tony Alongi
Oleg Maskaev, Russia
Randall Tex Cobb
Francesco Damiani, Italy
Scott LeDoux
Chuck Wepner
Axel Schultz, Germany
Kallie Knoetze, South Africa
Lucien Rodriguez, France
Brian London, England
Pete Rademacher
Richard Dunn, England
Giacomo Bozzano, Italy
Heins Neuhaus, West Germany
Santo Amonti, Italy
Pat McMurtry
Johnny Du Plooy, South Africa
Jack O'Halloran
Ron Stander
François Botha, South Africa
Jack Bodell, England
Tony Doyle
Kevin McBride, Ireland
Randy Neumann
Eduardo Corletti, Argentina
Franco Cavicchi, Italy
Steffan Tangstad, Norway
**** Wipperman
George Logan
Tom McNeely
Alex Miteff, Argentina
Pat Duncan
Scott Frank
Pierre Coetzer, South Africa
Ken Hammer
Johnny Prescott, England
Willie DeWit, Canada
Gerhard Zech, West Germany
Terry Daniels
Willi Besmanoff, West Germany
Lorenzo Zanon, Italy
Jose Manuel Urtain, Spain
Jean Pierre Coopman, Belgium
Terry Hinke
Mike Schuette
Bob Butcher
Alexander Miroshnichenko, Russia
Joey Orbillo
Billy Walker, England
James J. Beattie
Jefferson Davis
Charley Norkus
John L. Gardner, England
Alejandro Lavorante, Argentina
Franco DePicoli, Italy
Juergen Blinn, West Germany
Chris McDonald
Ulli Nitzschke, West Germany
Rodney Bobick
Brian Neilsen, Denmark
Jeff Shelburg
Albert Westphal, West Germany
**** Richardson, England
Dante Cane, Italy
Mike Koranicki
Gordon Ferris, England
Terry Krueger
Bob Albright
Jose Giorgetti, Argentina
Bepi Ros, Italy
Danny McAlinden, Ireland
Peter McNeely
Billy Aird, England
Vinnie Curto
Joe Rowan
Todd Herring
Bennie Knoetzee, South Africa
Donnie Fleeman
Timo Hoffman, Germany
Bill Nielsen
Johnny Featherman
Seamus McDonagh, Ireland
Gawie de Klerk, South Africa
Lamar Clark
Dave Zyglewicz
****y Ryan
Tommy Franco Thomas
Lou Esa
Sylvain Watbled, France
Arnie Brower
David Pearce, England
Hans Kalbfell, West Germany
Ibar Arrington
Mario Schiesser, Germany
Jerry Judge
Bernd August, West Germany
Guy Cassel
Jimmy Abbott, South Africa
John Hunt
Bill Sharkey
Ty Fields
Robert Duquesne, France
Lee Canalito
Anders Eklund, Sweden
Henry Milligan
Eric Butterbean Esch
Jerry Tomasetti
Carl Gizzi, England
Jesse Shelby
Ray Phillips
Cody Koch
Mario Barruzi, Italy
Branco Billy Wright
Cliff McDonald
Clayman Parker
Ulli Ritter, West Germany
Horst Giesler
Rob Caloway
Kevin Babineux
James Helwig
Doug Kirk
Crawford Grimsley
Craig Bodzainowski
Ken Schmidt
Claud Humphrey McBride
Boddy Hitz
Steve Zouski
Jerry Halstad
Greg Sorrentino
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Originally posted by Silencers View PostAnother Great White Hope, he lost pretty much everytime he stepped up, Norton destroyed him. Had a very good amateur career though.
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Originally posted by GhostofDempsey View Post
Norton “destroyed” him by punching him in the throat. Norton would win regardless but let’s include some context here.
On a serious note, if you read the round by round reports from the bare knuckle era you find that punches to the neck were common and reported as good shots. But of course a bare fist can land a clean shot to a fighter's neck. And of course again bare knuckle fighters had to pick soft targets, nose, ears, eyes, body, and neck and avoid winging punches at their opponent's head.
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Originally posted by Willow The Wisp View PostThe "Great White Hopes" from Marciano to Klitschko (1956 - 2000):
(United States unless otherwise noted)
Wladimir Klitschko, Ukraine
Vitali Klitschko, Ukraine
Jerry Quarry
Gerry Cooney
George Chuvalo, Canada
Tommy Morrison
Gerrie Coetzee, South Africa
Joe Bugner, England
Ingemar Johansson, Sweden
Bob Cleroux, Canada
Andrew Golota, Poland
Henry Cooper, England
Rex Layne
Oscar Bonavena, Argentina
Roy Harris
Corrie Sanders, South Africa
Karl Mildenberger, West Germany
Duane Bobick
Mike DeJohn
Lou Savaresse
John Dino Denis
Boone Kirkman
Harry Kid Matthews
Tony Alongi
Oleg Maskaev, Russia
Randall Tex Cobb
Francesco Damiani, Italy
Scott LeDoux
Chuck Wepner
Axel Schultz, Germany
Kallie Knoetze, South Africa
Lucien Rodriguez, France
Brian London, England
Pete Rademacher
Richard Dunn, England
Giacomo Bozzano, Italy
Heins Neuhaus, West Germany
Santo Amonti, Italy
Pat McMurtry
Johnny Du Plooy, South Africa
Jack O'Halloran
Ron Stander
François Botha, South Africa
Jack Bodell, England
Tony Doyle
Kevin McBride, Ireland
Randy Neumann
Eduardo Corletti, Argentina
Franco Cavicchi, Italy
Steffan Tangstad, Norway
**** Wipperman
George Logan
Tom McNeely
Alex Miteff, Argentina
Pat Duncan
Scott Frank
Pierre Coetzer, South Africa
Ken Hammer
Johnny Prescott, England
Willie DeWit, Canada
Gerhard Zech, West Germany
Terry Daniels
Willi Besmanoff, West Germany
Lorenzo Zanon, Italy
Jose Manuel Urtain, Spain
Jean Pierre Coopman, Belgium
Terry Hinke
Mike Schuette
Bob Butcher
Alexander Miroshnichenko, Russia
Joey Orbillo
Billy Walker, England
James J. Beattie
Jefferson Davis
Charley Norkus
John L. Gardner, England
Alejandro Lavorante, Argentina
Franco DePicoli, Italy
Juergen Blinn, West Germany
Chris McDonald
Ulli Nitzschke, West Germany
Rodney Bobick
Brian Neilsen, Denmark
Jeff Shelburg
Albert Westphal, West Germany
**** Richardson, England
Dante Cane, Italy
Mike Koranicki
Gordon Ferris, England
Terry Krueger
Bob Albright
Jose Giorgetti, Argentina
Bepi Ros, Italy
Danny McAlinden, Ireland
Peter McNeely
Billy Aird, England
Vinnie Curto
Joe Rowan
Todd Herring
Bennie Knoetzee, South Africa
Donnie Fleeman
Timo Hoffman, Germany
Bill Nielsen
Johnny Featherman
Seamus McDonagh, Ireland
Gawie de Klerk, South Africa
Lamar Clark
Dave Zyglewicz
****y Ryan
Tommy Franco Thomas
Lou Esa
Sylvain Watbled, France
Arnie Brower
David Pearce, England
Hans Kalbfell, West Germany
Ibar Arrington
Mario Schiesser, Germany
Jerry Judge
Bernd August, West Germany
Guy Cassel
Jimmy Abbott, South Africa
John Hunt
Bill Sharkey
Ty Fields
Robert Duquesne, France
Lee Canalito
Anders Eklund, Sweden
Henry Milligan
Eric Butterbean Esch
Jerry Tomasetti
Carl Gizzi, England
Jesse Shelby
Ray Phillips
Cody Koch
Mario Barruzi, Italy
Branco Billy Wright
Cliff McDonald
Clayman Parker
Ulli Ritter, West Germany
Horst Giesler
Rob Caloway
Kevin Babineux
James Helwig
Doug Kirk
Crawford Grimsley
Craig Bodzainowski
Ken Schmidt
Claud Humphrey McBride
Boddy Hitz
Steve Zouski
Jerry Halstad
Greg Sorrentino
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Originally posted by Willie Pep 229 View Post
You got to have a long neck to take a punch in the throat from an eight ounce glove. We had one kid in our HS glass we called "roster" now he could take a punch to the throat.
On a serious note, if you read the round by round reports from the bare knuckle era you find that punches to the neck were common and reported as good shots. But of course a bare fist can land a clean shot to a fighter's neck. And of course again bare knuckle fighters had to pick soft targets, nose, ears, eyes, body, and neck and avoid winging punches at their opponent's head.
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