Does anyone on here think Muhhamad Ali is overrated?

[Dynamite Kid]

No, I can confirm that I am DEFINITELY not this Hungryherbet. I've never been on this forum before. That's it. And I am not a fanatical Klitschko fan, I just happen to like and admire the brothers. Is that such a crazy thing??

Ok.

I have no problem with you and you have been cool with with me so

[Benncollinsaad]

Ok.

I have no problem with you and you have been cool with with me so

Good. I'm also a fan of Norris, McCallum and Holyfield.

[StarshipTrooper]

I just happen to like and admire the brothers. Is that such a crazy thing??

That makes you a hopeless Klit-Licker and one of Tunney's vultures.

Poet

[Majestic_]

Not at all.

He was an amazing puncher, had an amazing chin and perhaps had the best thing in boxing; the mind. He was so incredibly smart at boxing, he amazes me time after time when I see his fights.

When you see his fights on REC, you always see something new that you "Wow, did you see that" too, if you know what I mean

[GJC]

Where are KNN and LondonRingRules?
I'm beginning to worry about them!

[StarshipTrooper]

Where are KNN and LondonRingRules?
I'm beginning to worry about them!

Tunney's KNN alt has probably been retired and he's moved on to new fake IDs. LRR aka "The Village Idiot" hasn't posted in a month so maybe we've all lucked out and the senile ****'s finally been institutionalized.

Poet

[Benncollinsaad]

That makes you a hopeless Klit-Licker and one of Tunney's vultures.

Poet

And you are just one of hordes of envious Americans who channel their frustration by calling Klitschkos and their fans names and insulting them. Glad we got that straightened out.

[Slimey Limey]

They don't fight dehydrated to the extent of Robinson because they have the possibility to rehydrate due to the weigh-ins being held a day before the fight.

De La Hoya was dehydrated no doubt, but he hadn't actually lost weight during the fight, leading to heat exhaustion as Robinson had. And De La Hoya did indeed quit while Robinson had to be carried out after 13 rounds.



I'll be the first to tell you that it's foolish to go into a fight dehydrated, especially when you're going to fight under extreme conditions as Robinson and Maxim did.

My point was not that he was smart in doing it, my point is that he wasn't a coward for being dehydrated and having to be carried out of the ring after 13 rounds of fighting exhausted under extreme conditions.



Never heard anyone else say that, anywhere. Louis got up from a knockdown early on when he still had stamina and hadn't been beaten up, but by the 12th round he was beaten up and exhausted, unable to get up. That was that.



Mike Tyson himself expressed his admiration for Louis, who got up against Walcott (certainly no bum) and came back to knock him out with a combination.

Lets face it, you shot yourself in the own foot by bringing up Mike Tyson. He certainly wasn't washed up against Holyfield, yet he got out of the fight by biting Holyfield.

Another "great" example in Margarito who was caught using plaster before the bout. He took his beating well but he wasn't in any danger to his health when the fight was stopped.



I've made my point. You didn't show your face up there until days after I posted. I did respond to your arguments in an earlier post but you said nothing to that.

Dehydrated is dehydrated. It's both dangerous, life threatning either way. You can't pinpoint exactly how much of a diffirence it is. That's just another idiotic strawman argument from you, because yet again you were caught with your pants down. You failed.

Oh, so now the lad is saying it's foolish. I can't help but notice you didn't include Gay's name anywhere, thus STILL not admitting he made a dumbarse mistake by doing this. When you duck this every time you prove me right about you being a biased nuthugger who won't admit a single flaw about your man.

Like I said, the Louis nuthugging crowds you hang around with, of cource you won't hear anyone say that, ever. What are you a complete tosser, mate? Do you think a biased emotional Louis nutlicker like you and others will see it as Louis quitting? You say he was "unable to get up" yet he was still concious and just looking and rolling around. He was simply discouraged and didn't WANT to get up. He did not even make an effort. You simply dodge these facts over and over again and just repeat your same garbage, because you are so affraid to discuss it.

And Mike Tyson's admiration of Louis has nothing to do with it. I brought up an example of Tyson having nothing left like Louis and Gay, yet he still came out and took his beating and KO like a man even though it was dangerous. You know by me bringing this up it shoots your crappy arguments down, mate. So you bring up irrelevant things such as his fights against Williams etc when he had nothing left as a fighter, and can't be compared to SGR-Maxim. So you blatantly IGNORED the Lewis-Tyson example. And now you do the same with Margarito and bringing up the plaster. How ******ed are you that you do this every single time and act like you're not a biased ****, mate? Have you no shame? You want more?
Holy-Bowe 3
Willard-Dempsey
Ruddock-Tyson
Frazier-Foreman
Bowe-Golota
Moore-Marciano
etc etc etc

All these lads had nothing left and still came out and took their beating like a man, and some were ko'd but weren't affraid of it. These are real warriors unlike Gay Robinson who quit on his stool and has every excuse made for him by his fanboys like you. Now you're probably going to do the same to these fights I mentioned, and try to discredit them in any way you can, because that's what a fookin tosser you are mate.

And as for this classic thunderdome thread where I owned you and you quit like Gay
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...=285963&page=9
There were earlier times when me or you didn't respond for a day or so. Yet ONE time I respond only 2 days later this time, you act like it didn't catch your mind? It was on the first page of the thunderdome for nearly a week, mate. A loser like you who spends hours upon hours of researching threads, topics, flame wars, etc wouldn't even peek once? Especially after a flame war that lasted for days?
Don't give me those excuses you wanker. You quit in that thread. Just like you're already quitting here.
You ignored when I called you out on admitting a flaw about SGR.
You ignored all the things I mentioned about the possibility that Louis did quit.
You ignored the Lewis-Tyson example.
You ignored the thunderdome issue
You ignored the Margarito-Mosley example just like you will discredit all the other fights I mentioned.

De Ja Vu mate.

[TheGreatA]

Dehydrated is dehydrated. It's both dangerous, life threatning either way. You can't pinpoint exactly how much of a diffirence it is. That's just another idiotic strawman argument from you, because yet again you were caught with your pants down. You failed.

There's a difference between the severity of being dehydrated. Only a fool would deny this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperthermia

As I've proven previously, Robinson lost 10 pounds of weight during the fight.

Oh, so now the lad is saying it's foolish. I can't help but notice you didn't include Gay's name anywhere, thus STILL not admitting he made a dumbarse mistake by doing this. When you duck this every time you prove me right about you being a biased nuthugger who won't admit a single flaw about your man.

Robinson also had a tradition of going into fights without drinking water. Certainly not a very smart move by him and one he had to pay for under those kind of conditions.

Like I said, the Louis nuthugging crowds you hang around with, of cource you won't hear anyone say that, ever. What are you a complete tosser, mate? Do you think a biased emotional Louis nutlicker like you and others will see it as Louis quitting? You say he was "unable to get up" yet he was still concious and just looking and rolling around. He was simply discouraged and didn't WANT to get up. He did not even make an effort. You simply dodge these facts over and over again and just repeat your same garbage, because you are so affraid to discuss it.

Well, since you think there are so many people who label Louis a quitter, I'd like you to point out one good source where anyone (aside from you) criticizes Louis for having no heart and quitting against Schmeling. Should be easy.

At the same time I can point out to numerous sources that have no mention of Louis "quitting":

http://books.google.fi/books?id=Exgn...age&q=&f=false

Louis was not able to get up, because he had been beaten down. End of story.

And Mike Tyson's admiration of Louis has nothing to do with it. I brought up an example of Tyson having nothing left like Louis and Gay, yet he still came out and took his beating and KO like a man even though it was dangerous. You know by me bringing this up it shoots your crappy arguments down, mate. So you bring up irrelevant things such as his fights against Williams etc when he had nothing left as a fighter, and can't be compared to SGR-Maxim. So you blatantly IGNORED the Lewis-Tyson example. And now you do the same with Margarito and bringing up the plaster. How ******ed are you that you do this every single time and act like you're not a biased ****, mate? Have you no shame? You want more?
Holy-Bowe 3
Willard-Dempsey
Ruddock-Tyson
Frazier-Foreman
Bowe-Golota
Moore-Marciano
etc etc etc

I'm simply pointing out your obvious hypocrisy, ignorance and bias for excusing Tyson's quitting in other fights because he continued fighting once, while calling Louis and Robinson cowards even though they showed heart in numerous fights.

How much did 45 year old Ray Robinson have left as a fighter when he kept getting up against 20 year younger opposition and went the distance everytime? How much did Joe Louis have left when he fought Jersey Joe Walcott, Ezzard Charles and Rocky Marciano? Did he ever show any quit in those fights?

You bringing up the Tyson-Lewis fight is funny by the way because Tyson was still conscious, although beaten down, yet he took the 10 count much like Louis. That's because he had nothing left.

Willard retired in his corner, Holyfield was stopped by the referee, Frazier was beaten down and didn't know where he was, Ruddock was the victim of an early stoppage, Golota was disqualified for low blows, Moore went down from sheer exhaustion. I don't see your point bringing up these fights.

All these lads had nothing left and still came out and took their beating like a man, and some were ko'd but weren't affraid of it. These are real warriors unlike Gay Robinson who quit on his stool and has every excuse made for him by his fanboys like you. Now you're probably going to do the same to these fights I mentioned, and try to discredit them in any way you can, because that's what a fookin tosser you are mate.

Robinson was stopped because he was in no condition to continue.
Louis took a 12 round beating until finally going down in the 12th round.

You can argue that they "quit" all you want but in the end the only one you might be convincing is your own self, and I doubt even that.

I've brought up the facts about the condition Robinson was in, examined by doctors, observed by ringside viewers and boxing experts.

And as for this classic thunderdome thread where I owned you and you quit like Gay
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...=285963&page=9
There were earlier times when me or you didn't respond for a day or so. Yet ONE time I respond only 2 days later this time, you act like it didn't catch your mind? It was on the first page of the thunderdome for nearly a week, mate. A loser like you who spends hours upon hours of researching threads, topics, flame wars, etc wouldn't even peek once? Especially after a flame war that lasted for days?
Don't give me those excuses you wanker. You quit in that thread. Just like you're already quitting here.
You ignored when I called you out on admitting a flaw about SGR.
You ignored all the things I mentioned about the possibility that Louis did quit.
You ignored the Lewis-Tyson example.
You ignored the thunderdome issue
You ignored the Margarito-Mosley example just like you will discredit all the other fights I mentioned.

De Ja Vu mate.

You ignore the facts I present and only offer your ignorant, baseless opinions, backed up with absolutely nothing.

I responded to your claims in that thread by the way but you completely ignored them, knowing you could retort with nothing.

[boxingbuff]

There's a difference between the severity of being dehydrated. Only a fool would deny this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperthermia

As I've proven previously, Robinson lost 10 pounds of weight during the fight.







Well, since you think there are so many people who label Louis a quitter, I'd like you to point out one good source where anyone (aside from you) criticizes Louis for having no heart and quitting against Schmeling. Should be easy.

At the same time I can point out to numerous sources that have no mention of Louis "quitting":

http://books.google.fi/books?id=Exgn...age&q=&f=false

Louis was not able to get up, because he had been beaten down. End of story.



I'm simply pointing out your obvious hypocrisy, ignorance and bias for excusing Tyson's quitting in other fights because he continued fighting once, while calling Louis and Robinson cowards even though they showed heart in numerous fights.

How much did 45 year old Ray Robinson have left as a fighter when he kept getting up against 20 year younger opposition and went the distance everytime? How much did Joe Louis have left when he fought Jersey Joe Walcott, Ezzard Charles and Rocky Marciano? Did he ever show any quit in those fights?

You bringing up the Tyson-Lewis fight is funny by the way because Tyson was still conscious, although beaten down, yet he took the 10 count much like Louis. That's because he had nothing left.

Willard retired in his corner, Holyfield was stopped by the referee, Frazier was beaten down and didn't know where he was, Ruddock was the victim of an early stoppage, Golota was disqualified for low blows, Moore went down from sheer exhaustion. I don't see your point bringing up these fights.



Robinson was stopped because he was in no condition to continue.
Louis took a 12 round beating until finally going down in the 12th round.

You can argue that they "quit" all you want but in the end the only one you might be convincing is your own self, and I doubt even that.

I've brought up the facts about the condition Robinson was in, examined by doctors, observed by ringside viewers and boxing experts.



You ignore the facts I present and only offer your ignorant, baseless opinions, backed up with absolutely nothing.

I responded to your claims in that thread by the way but you completely ignored them, knowing you could retort with nothing.

Joe Frazier lost 15 pounds in his 1st fight with Muhammad Ali.