Does anyone on here think Muhhamad Ali is overrated?

[Dan...]

Ali was overated. That's been my opinion for some time now. Especially in the 70's. He did beat Foreman in Zaire and Frazier in Manila, but that's it. He lost a lot of fights that he got by crooked decisions. The third Norton fight and the Jimmy Young fight in particular. And I think the decision in the Shavers fight also was kinda disputed.

If you have actually seen the Shavers fight then you are a certified ******.

If you haven't you shouldn't be posting in this thread as you are not properly informed.

Either way, you are a ****.


Also, this thread is pretty much evidence of how poor this site is. Sure, we have some people on here who know as much about boxing as anyone on the planet, but my god we have some ****s in here that should just keep their half-assed, incorrect opinions to themselves and not pollute this forum with them.

[Sugarj]

Its a great site! But as you would expect not everyone is as knowledgeable as others. There are some wallys too.....hee hee.

[Caesar]

i don't like the topic, it is surely right that Ali is not overrated,

[RightCross94]

You should have brought up Ali QUITTING. Because that is what it was about. I said Robinson quit, and Ali didn't. I didn't say Robinson had thoughts of quitting, daring anyone to come up with a case of Ali THINKING of quitting as well. You couldn't provide an example. So you FAILED there mate.

And Ali-Holmes is not comparable at all. First of all, here you have a man that was old and so washed up it was a wonder he could still survive a single round. And most importantly, here is a man suffering from PARKINSONS. And here is a man that was not able to win a single round and his corner forced the fight to stop.

Now with Salty GAY Robinson, here is a man still capable of fighting the best, here is a man that was healthy and not suffering from a disease, here is a man that wasn't washed up and took as many beatings as Ali, here is a man actually AHEAD in the fooking fight.

Just face it. Your lad ran out of gas, because that BEAST Maxim took everything he had to offer, shrugged it off and was going in for the kill. Robinson, being a man that could dish it out, but not receive it like a true coward. So he quit on his stool. He was not a warrior like the people who have gotten hurt in the ring. He was scared because he had nothing left. He quit. Deal with it mr excuses.

You know what pisses me off most about this? That nobody talks about Maxim's heart and animal like durability. It's all about poor salty gay, poor poor soul etc. That truly shows how much bias this lad has in his favor, don;t you agree?

Now, some more excuses there. In that thread, we were responding to each other in no order. You'd leave for a few days and respond, and the same with me. You simply couldn't take the abuse no more and QUIT, like a coward. Like your idol. Well done mate.

A true coward? You are calling a man with 200 pro fights a coward? That pretty much sums it all up. Note to everyone here: Don't bother reading this morons posts.

I don't think you realise how much balls it takes just to get in there for an amateur fight.

[RightCross94]

For the record, when a fighter's corner stops the fight it is NOT the same as a fighter "quitting". A fighter's trainer has the last word on the subject: If he says the fight is over than it's over regardless of what the fighter wants. That's what he's paid for: To look after his fighter's well being when a fighter is to caught up in the heat of battle to know what's good for him.

Poet

Exactly!!!!!!! Bloody hell!

Some examples:

Tszyu's corner stopped the Hatton fight, Tszyu did not quit!

Robinson passed out in his corner in the Maxim fight, he was seriously ill, could not keep food or drink down for several days and was covered in blisters, terrible case of heatstroke. He did not quit, he wasn't even in a state to make a decision to quit, he was in such a state his corner wouldn't have been able to send him out for the next round.

Frazier's trainer Futch stopped the Thrilla in Manila, not many people confuse this one but i saw some moron on here the other day calling Frazier a quitter.

[StarshipTrooper]

Frazier's trainer Futch stopped the Thrilla in Manila, not many people confuse this one but i saw some moron on here the other day calling Frazier a quitter.

Yes, that would be the Prince of Poop: He's Slimey's alt.

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

Also, this thread is pretty much evidence of how poor this site is. Sure, we have some people on here who know as much about boxing as anyone on the planet, but my god we have some ****s in here that should just keep their half-assed, incorrect opinions to themselves and not pollute this forum with them.

To be fair, there are always going to be trolls and ignorant baffoons on every site. When I was posing over on Banter I ran into some and for damn sure when I was posting on Forum. I do know a site where everyone there is a class A poster the only problem is there's hardly any posting to respond to.

For better or worse, Boxing Scene routinely has the most action on a daily basis: It's incredibly rare that I don't find SOMETHING to respond to.

Poet

[Slimey Limey]

Again you miss the point. You were arguing with ***** that Ali was not about to quit against Frazier in the Thrilla in Manila.

I can agree with that but he did in fact attempt to quit against Sonny Liston. I brought that to your attention in case you didn't know.

Dundee was able to convince Ali to continue since you could recover from such a thing as some substance going into your eye.

What if he had been completely dehydrated to the point where there were no bodily fluids to support his brain as Robinson was?

Calling Louis a quitter for absorbing right hand bombs from Schmeling for 12 rounds and actually attempting a late round rally with the last of his reserves, when he was obviously knocked out with no possibility to recover, shows the bias you have out for him that is there for all to see.



You ignore my actual point. Both fighters were endangering their health had they continued, thus it was acceptable for them to retire in their corner (or to be retired in their corner as was the case both times).



Robinson had to be carried out. He would have had to be dragged into the ring for the next round.



And he then went onto sit out against Danny Williams and Kevin McBride. Not to mention when he bit Holyfield's ear to get out of a fight he was losing.

What a warrior. Unlike that quitter Ray Robinson who was only stopped once in a 170+ fight career that spanned more than two decades.



I've given him credit long before you ever began polluting this forum with your nonsense.



The man had a granite chin, no question about it.



I think everyone can make up their own minds about whether I was "owned" or not.

The fact is that you didn't respond until two days later and I did not notice you had posted there until now.

Like I already explained, the Liston example is irrelevant and has nothing to do with the Frazier fight so you failed to prove that Ali wanted to quit against Frazier, mate. On Espn classic Dundee himself stated that Ali did not want to quit. It would be ******ed for him to do so, since he was close to finishing Frazier off, had more left in him and Frazier couldn't see anything. The point is that Ali never quit like Salty Gay Robinson and Joe Louis and that's a fact. You put too much stock into rumours.

And like I said, Boxing is extremely dangerous. Fighters fight dehydrated all the time. It's part of the sport. You are making exceptions for Gay, he simply should not have been in the ring if he was ****** enough not to drink anything before the fight. In fact lad, did you not tell me once that Robinson once said that he never drank anything before his fights?

And Louis, it is quite clear that he was very discouraged when Schmeling went in for the kill, and could see in his facial expressions that he wanted nothing more to do with that animal. He was concious and rolling around a bit on the canvas. He even went down in a half arsed way. He just QUIT. PLain and simple. Joe Louis is another lad that could dish it out, but not receive it.

Haha, I knew you would bring up Tyson's fights against Williams and Mcbride. How irrelevent yet again mate, you are borderline close to getting the nickname FAILMACHINE. I gave you an example of Tyson not quitting against Lewis. The fact that he may have quit in other fights does not cover up the fact that he showed more balls that night than any Salty Gay fighters you look up to.

And saying Maxim had a great chin is hardly a compliment. You should have mentioned his courage, heart and mental toughness. Of cource you never did untill I, the Slimey one, forced it out of you, you ****.

And some more excuses about the thunderdome thread? Perhaps you were dehydrated that day, innit mate? haha, or maybe I had a weight advantage on you. It was a fact that you took several knees in that thread and finally QUIT and ran off with your tail between your legs.

Face it lad, when I replied, that thread was in the first page of the Thunderdome for a week. You simply quit, like your cowardly bumbeating overrated idols.

[Slimey Limey]

Yes, that would be the Prince of Poop: He's Slimey's alt.

Poet

Don't get me started on you again lad. I shut you up many times before, so you best get back to cheerleading your fellow Louis nuthuggers again before I show everyone here what a tough guy you are.

[Dynamite Kid]

If you have actually seen the Shavers fight then you are a certified ******.

If you haven't you shouldn't be posting in this thread as you are not properly informed.

Either way, you are a ****.


Also, this thread is pretty much evidence of how poor this site is. Sure, we have some people on here who know as much about boxing as anyone on the planet, but my god we have some ****s in here that should just keep their half-assed, incorrect opinions to themselves and not pollute this forum with them.

I agree.

Shavers lost the fight clearly imo, he had a few good rounds late in the fight where he wobbled Ali but by and large he did too much stalking not enough letting his hands go.

Benncollinsaad does seem like a decent chap though.