Marvin Hagler vs Jake Lamota

[TheGreatA]

he cut 15 lbs in one night? BS, thats hard enough to do even on second day weight in.

Duran came in pretty heavy himself.

He didn't but LaMotta was known to cut a lot of weight and put on a lot of pounds after the weigh-in. He often insisted on having the weigh-in early.

Duran wasn't in his best shape at 160 lbs. He started as a bantam when he was a teenager, was at his best as a lightweight and still very good at welter.

LaMotta started as a light heavyweight, went down to 160 when he realized he couldn't make it at the higher weights due to his lack of height and reach, had trouble making the limit later on in his career and started fighting as a light heavy again.

[Obama]

he cut 15 lbs in one night? BS, thats hard enough to do even on second day weight in.

Duran came in pretty heavy himself.

he didn't weigh in at 155 his whole prime. id say he'd go up 10 lbs. And the cutting can begin longer than that....

[them_apples]

he didn't weigh in at 155 his whole prime. id say he'd go up 10 lbs. And the cutting can begin longer than that....

he probably came in at 160-162. Duran probably came in at 160. considering they have the same reach, almost the same height - and the fact that Lamotta looked small compared former WW SRR, I'd say he wasn't that big.

Not saying size really matters, but Hagler would overpower him, even in a brawl - the guy couldn't even punch that hard for a MW.

[Obama]

he probably came in at 160-162. Duran probably came in at 160. considering they have the same reach, almost the same height - and the fact that Lamotta looked small compared former WW SRR, I'd say he wasn't that big.

Not saying size really matters, but Hagler would overpower him, even in a brawl - the guy couldn't even punch that hard for a MW.

Yea, Sam Langford wasn't big either. But he was compact. Duran @ 160 is not compact.

[TheGreatA]

he probably came in at 160-162. Duran probably came in at 160. considering they have the same reach, almost the same height - and the fact that Lamotta looked small compared former WW SRR, I'd say he wasn't that big.

Not saying size really matters, but Hagler would overpower him, even in a brawl - the guy couldn't even punch that hard for a MW.

LaMotta only weighed 155 to one catchweight fight against Tony Janiro. LaMotta had trouble getting fights at the time and Janiro's camp only accepted to take the fight if LaMotta agreed to go down in weight, thinking it would make him weaker.

Robinson was a tall welter but LaMotta still threw Robinson around and roughed him up. Leonard to me didn't look any smaller than Hagler and Hearns looked huge next to Hagler. Duran stood eye to eye with him.

Hagler may have more power but it would be best for him to keep away from LaMotta and try to counter punch him. I wouldn't pick too many men to beat LaMotta in a slugfest.

Hagler drawn into a brawl with Antuofermo in their first fight:



A more experienced Hagler stays away from Antuofermo and picks him apart in their rematch:



Keep in mind that the footage we have of LaMotta is him past his peak. Robinson said that the sixth fight was easier for him because LaMotta seemed much slower than in their previous bouts in the 1940's.

“I couldn’t match strength with LaMotta,” Robinson said afterward. “But he was slower than he had been six years earlier. That made him an easier target. My jab had puffed up his face and I had hit him with quite a few body shots. His punches had lost their zing.”

Jake LaMotta
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[Obama]

I think the 6th fight being easier had more to do with Ray finally being a full fledged Middleweight.

[TheGreatA]

I think the 6th fight being easier had more to do with Ray finally being a full fledged Middleweight.

Well, not according to himself. Robinson may have been stronger but still nowhere near as strong as LaMotta, and he wasn't quite as quick as he was in his welterweight prime.

He did take his share of punishment in the 6th fight and it was pretty much even until the late rounds when LaMotta ran out of gas.

Robinson weighed around 155 in their 6th fight, 150 in the fifth fight. Robinson walked away with a controversial decision that time.

[Obama]

Well, not according to himself. Robinson may have been stronger but still nowhere near as strong as LaMotta, and he wasn't quite as quick as he was in his welterweight prime.

He did take his share of punishment in the 6th fight and it was pretty much even until the late rounds when LaMotta ran out of gas.

Robinson weighed around 155 in their 6th fight, 150 in the fifth fight. Robinson walked away with a controversial decision that time.

If it was even till the late rounds then LaMotta gassed, you have to ask yourself why he gassed. Fighting a bigger, stronger man than you usually do makes the gas tank run out quicker.

[TheGreatA]

If it was even till the late rounds then LaMotta gassed, you have to ask yourself why he gassed. Fighting a bigger, stronger man than you usually do makes the gas tank run out quicker.

LaMotta in his prime was known for great stamina. He simply had trouble making weight at that point of his career.

Even Robinson himself admitted that it was his strategy to take the fight into the later rounds because he knew LaMotta was weight-drained.

[Obama]

LaMotta in his prime was known for great stamina. He simply had trouble making weight at that point of his career.

Even Robinson himself admitted that it was his strategy to take the fight into the later rounds because he knew LaMotta was weight-drained.

Robinson is taking guesses just like we are. LaMotta also fought a lot of smaller men in his prime. His notable wins come against small guys and past it guys.