Who's prime is more overrated ?

[them_apples]

Tyson had a pretty black and white skillset.

1. great physical attributes in terms of speed, power, and skill.

2. weak willed and could be broken if you had the tools and strength to do it.

He generally did well against guys that ran from him. He also generally did bad against guys that tried to rough him up (Holyfield, Douglas, Lewis) he never had these problems in his "prime" but then again he never fought Evander Holyfield in his prime ether.

so basically, break his will. Certain fighters can do this, some cannot.

1. you need to be able to throw punches in combinations (one punch won't do it, which was Holmes downfall)
2. toughness and strength is a must

a Jab won't and never will hold a guy like Tyson off. The Jab did nothing for Lewis or Holmes, 2 guys who had great jabs.

Ali and Foreman are my prime picks for beating Mike in his prime, Ali would throw vicious combinations back whilst yelling at him, Foreman would throw uppercuts ( a punch Tyson was caught with even in his prime).

[Poet682006]

Ali and Foreman are my prime picks for beating Mike in his prime, Ali would throw vicious combinations back whilst yelling at him, Foreman would throw uppercuts ( a punch Tyson was caught with even in his prime).

Dayum you're such a hater with an anti-Tyson agenda

a Jab won't and never will hold a guy like Tyson off. The Jab did nothing for Lewis or Holmes, 2 guys who had great jabs.

I thought Lewis did pretty good with his jab but I really don't count that as Tyson was well past-prime and pretty close to being shot at that point. Douglas' jab was very effective against against Mike though I understand that people will argue that wasn't a prime Tyson either.

The problem with using the Holmes example is that while Larry could show the jab that he once had he really only could do it in flashes.....not enough in my book. Tyson never really faced a top-tier jab in his prime. The lazy jabs that '80s Heavyweights (and most Heavies of any era really) threw just weren't going to get it done: Mike just walks right through those. You have to have a jab that can either **** him (Liston and prime Holmes) or sting him (Ali) either way it has to be a jab that gets his attention and does it consistantly and accurately. Those pawing range-finders you typically seen thrown by the Biggses and Carl Williamses of the world Mike just eats up and counters over the top with a right.

Poet

[Dynamite Kid]

Well firstly i clearly didn't mention the comparison between Tyson and Frazier pressure wise, maybe if you learn how to read, one day you can realise i was comparing their headmovement. As far as pressure goes, i think Tyson puts just as much pressure on people as Frazier did....just in an educated hit and not get hit manner....joe frazier-"bob up, bob down, bob up, bob down, with that cross armed defence, and throw a massive wild left hook(which was one of the best left hooks in the business i grant you, but this is 80% of what he did)

You are correct Mike did have a GREAT!! defence, against who though? did he have a great defence when he fought Holyfield, Douglas ? Oh thats right im sorry Mike got amnesia when he Cus died and he left Rooney.

Just another in long.................. long.......... long ..........long line of excuses for Mike eh!!

[ironalex]

says the man with a picture of Mr glass chinned "amnesia" himself...

[Dynamite Kid]

says the man with a picture of Mr glass chinned "amnesia" himself...

The problem you have though is.............i dont care what you say about Norris, where as you get all bent out of shape because you are not just a Tyson fan, but a Tyson fanboy.

Holyfield whooped your boy when they both had the same amount left in the tank because he was overrated.............the truth!!

He is not a top 10 ATG because you have to BEAT great fighters IN the ring to prove yourself not get yourself in there because your fanboys!! say you could of beat this guy that guy.

Tyson's best win is a blown up LHW who took advantage of an aged champion (Larry Holmes)........fact!!!

By the way he should of lost the second fight to Holmes to.

[TheGreatA]

[Dynamite Kid]

Good post as always Machine.



No doubt this will go straight over the heads of the Tyson clan.

[Poet682006]

You know, this is the sort of thing I LIKE about Tyson: More than any other contempory fighter I can think of Mike was a top-notch insightful, analyst of fights. The kind of respect, appreciation, and admiration Tyson has traditionally had for prior greats is something that is lacking in so many of today's fighters.....and fans. I've said it before and I'll say it again: There is NO fighter I'd rather sit down over a cup of coffee and breakdown old fight films with.

Poet

[GJC]

You know, this is the sort of thing I LIKE about Tyson: More than any other contempory fighter I can think of Mike was a top-notch insightful, analyst of fights. The kind of respect, appreciation, and admiration Tyson has traditionally had for prior greats is something that is lacking in so many of today's fighters.....and fans. I've said it before and I'll say it again: There is NO fighter I'd rather sit down over a cup of coffee and breakdown old fight films with.

Poet

He was a lucky guy having access to Jim Jacobs collection

[Obama]

Even despite the fact that Tyson fought Douglass post Rooney wasn't enough for Douglass to win. Douglass was not going to win that fight if Tyson was focused and in shape. If there was an immediate rematch, Douglass would have been KOed in the first half of the fight.

Nonetheless, post Rooney Tyson stopped combination punching and just looked for 1 punch KOs.

Also, despite my efforts to bring this thread back to Jones vs Tyson in my last post, seems like it's just not meant to be. Tysons lovers and haters are simply too vocal.