Who's prime is more overrated ?

[Dynamite Kid]

Berbick was far from C class. Doesn't speak highly of the way Larry Holmes, who had one of his tougher fights with Berbick, by calling him C class. His resume is decent, and he was Champion in a much better era than we got today.

As to answering the question at hand, Jones was more over rated. Tyson had a higher level of quality opposition.

Berbick was not a tough fight for Holmes though, Berbick just has a really awkward style and whilst Holmes did not look his best he still won clearly.

Holmes's tougher fights were Weaver 1,Shavers 2, Snipes, Carl Williams, Norton. Those guys either dropped Larry or forced him to dig deep to win, i cant recall Berbick pushing him that hard.

[Poet682006]

Berbick was far from C class. His resume is decent, and he was Champion in a much better era than we got today.

Berbick was damn near D class: Beating a completely wahed up Ali who was already suffering from Parkinson's does not contitute a "decent" resume. As for the era being "much" better than today? Better, yes. Much better? NO. Both the current era and the 80s blew dead bear for Heavyweights.....today's just happens to be marginally worse.

Doesn't speak highly of the way Larry Holmes, who had one of his tougher fights with Berbick, by calling him C class.

Since when is winning by 15, 7, and 6 points on the cards a "tough" fight? Sounds more like Berbick got beaten pretty decisively to me.

Poet

[them_apples]

Berbick was damn near D class: Beating a completely wahed up Ali who was already suffering from Parkinson's does not contitute a "decent" resume. As for the era being "much" better than today? Better, yes. Much better? NO. Both the current era and the 80s blew dead bear for Heavyweights.....today's just happens to be marginally worse.



Since when is winning by 15, 7, and 6 points on the cards a "tough" fight? Sounds more like Berbick got beaten pretty decisively to me.

Poet

you are exaggerating everything when it comes to the 80's. Berbick was not a d class opponent, you can't channel your hate for him because he beat Ali when he was old. He was just an average contender who managed to get a belt.

I don't think the Holmes/Berbick fight was competitive either, but only because Holmes was A class. When Tyson took Holmes out he was B class. It only took him 4 rounds though so you can't fault him their.

The 80's was not terrible. Right beside the 70's it looks bad, but so does pretty much every other HW era. The 60's was solid, but the 40's and 50's IMO was just like the 80's..average.

There is nothing D class about Witherspoon, Holmes, Spinks, Tucker, Thomas, Tubbs and Bruno.

not amazing, but not terrible either.

Also, what does this say about Holmes record? most of his best wins were from the 80's category.

sorry if my post seemed a little hostile in regards to your opinion, but I think you know what i'm trying to say.

[Obama]

See post below.

[Obama]

Berbick was damn near D class: Beating a completely wahed up Ali who was already suffering from Parkinson's does not contitute a "decent" resume. As for the era being "much" better than today? Better, yes. Much better? NO. Both the current era and the 80s blew dead bear for Heavyweights.....today's just happens to be marginally worse.



Since when is winning by 15, 7, and 6 points on the cards a "tough" fight? Sounds more like Berbick got beaten pretty decisively to me.

Poet

Berbick also beat:

Pink
Undefeated Mitch Green
David Bey
Greg Page
John Tate

You can hate on what Green and Bey went on to do after their fight with Berbick, but AT THE TIME, they were promising fighters.

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Also, you can win every round of a fight and have a tough fight. Holmes did not beat Berbick with ease. Berbick is roughly in the top 10 best names in the win column on Larry's resume, give or take.

[Poet682006]

you are exaggerating everything when it comes to the 80's. Berbick was not a d class opponent, you can't channel your hate for him because he beat Ali when he was old. He was just an average contender who managed to get a belt.

The only problem with that is I'm not an Ali fan and the beatings he took from Holmes and Berbick where his own damn fault for trying to come back after it was clear he was shot.....He has no one to blame but himself!

I don't think the Holmes/Berbick fight was competitive either, but only because Holmes was A class. When Tyson took Holmes out he was B class. It only took him 4 rounds though so you can't fault him their.

I expect B class fighters to be at least semi-competetive with A class fighters.

A class - A near great or ATG
B class - Someone who'd be a consistant top-10 contender during a solid era
C class - Jouneyman or fringer contender at best during a solid era
D class - Tomato can, club fighter, ect.

The 80's was not terrible. Right beside the 70's it looks bad, but so does pretty much every other HW era. The 60's was solid, but the 40's and 50's IMO was just like the 80's..average.

While I agree the '60s were solid I would regard the '40s and '50s as sub-par on the whole, though still better than the '80s.

There is nothing D class about Witherspoon, Holmes, Spinks, Tucker, Thomas, Tubbs and Bruno.

You mean when they were in-shape and not on drugs. Which wasn't very often.

Also, what does this say about Holmes record? most of his best wins were from the 80's category.

Actually, outside of the Cooney fight, in my view Holmes' best wins were in the late '70s

Poet

[vandiar]

Some ignorant post in this thread. I stopped reading when someone said Tyson was one dimensional lol. Tyson had all the physical attributes to be the greatest of all time. Some of the fastest hands I have ever seen. Great foot work, great head movement, power in both hands. Only thing he lacked was mental attributes. Original Team Tyson instilled a lot of confidence in Mike. This is what he needed his whole career. With that said, I don't think I can really answer this question. Both were phenomenal in their primes.

[Poet682006]

Berbick also beat:

Pink
Undefeated Mitch Green
David Bey
Greg Page
John Tate

You can hate on what Green and Bey went on to do after their fight with Berbick, but AT THE TIME, they were promising fighters.

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Also, you can win every round of a fight and have a tough fight. Holmes did not beat Berbick with ease. Berbick is roughly in the top 10 best names in the win column on Larry's resume, give or take.

Pink - A druggie who squandered his talent
Undefeated Mitch Green - See the undefeated Peter McNeeley
David Bey - Out of shape club fighter
Greg Page - Out of shape most of the time
John Tate - An over-hyped never-was

"Promising" doesn't feed the bulldog: You don't get points for potential (or misplaced perception of potential). You get points more making something of that potential. As for the Berbick fight, I've HAVE watched it and at no time was Larry in any kind of trouble. He could have won that fight on cruise-control.....which he practically did.

Poet

[Poet682006]

Some ignorant post in this thread. I stopped reading when someone said Tyson was one dimensional lol. Tyson had all the physical attributes to be the greatest of all time. Some of the fastest hands I have ever seen. Great foot work, great head movement, power in both hands. Only thing he lacked was mental attributes. Original Team Tyson instilled a lot of confidence in Mike. This is what he needed his whole career. With that said, I don't think I can really answer this question. Both were phenomenal in their primes.

Get off the crack and actually watch some fights Junior. Tyson was no danger at anytime of being the GOAT.

Poet

[Obama]

Pink - A druggie who squandered his talent
Undefeated Mitch Green - See the undefeated Peter McNeeley
David Bey - Out of shape club fighter
Greg Page - Out of shape most of the time
John Tate - An over-hyped never-was

"Promising" doesn't feed the bulldog: You don't get points for potential (or misplaced perception of potential). You get points more making something of that potential. As for the Berbick fight, I've HAVE watched it and at no time was Larry in any kind of trouble. He could have won that fight on cruise-control.....which he practically did.

Poet

You seriously have issues with not giving fighters credit. And I never said Berbick had Larry in trouble. You don't need to have someone in trouble for it to be a competitive fight. Larry started off in cruise control, but **** changed in the second half of the fight.