Pryor's victory over Arguello tainted?

[sleazyfellow]

I think its definetely tainted now, if you saw the hbo special "assault in the ring", its about billy collins and luis restos fight. Panama used the same "black bottle" stuff he did with pryor, it supposedly opens the airways and helps the fighter breathe better.

On top of the black bottle stuff, in that fight he slipped out alot of padding and put plaster on restos wraps, horrible stuff...

[StarshipTrooper]

Case by case basis. Hearns simply was not interested, Pryor however was.

No, what's lame is people like yourself perpetuating the myth that every top Welter was quaking in their boots over a crude, unproven commodity with only a past it and well over prime weight Arguello as the only recognisable name on his record. I've never seen so much missplaced hype over a fighter who achieved so little with the possible exception of Tony Ayala.

Poet

[Obama]

No, what's lame is people like yourself perpetuating the myth that every top Welter was quaking in their boots over a crude, unproven commodity with only a past it and well over prime weight Arguello as the only recognisable name on his record. I've never seen so much missplaced hype over a fighter who achieved so little with the possible exception of Tony Ayala.

Poet

Aaron Pryor was an avoided fighter, like it or not. And Arguello isn't the only HOFer on Pryor's resume. Cervantes ring a bell? Yes I know, he was also past his prime...not the point.

Let me ask you this, who did Aaron Pryor duck?

[princemanspoper]

Well, he did basically get on his knees and offered to suck Sugar Ray Leonard off to fight him. Leonard wanted no part of the man. He also beat Hearns in the amateurs and couldn't get Hearns interested in trying to avenge the loss in the pros.

Spoken like a true dunce.Tell me,Which was your favourite episode from the Legendary Nights series? And which episode did you learn the most from?

I think its definetely tainted now, if you saw the hbo special "assault in the ring", its about billy collins and luis restos fight. Panama used the same "black bottle" stuff he did with pryor, it supposedly opens the airways and helps the fighter breathe better.

On top of the black bottle stuff, in that fight he slipped out alot of padding and put plaster on restos wraps, horrible stuff...

Thanks dumbass,because it's not like anyone here has heard of this fight or documentary.Tell me,Did you enjoy this documentary? Did you gain knowledge from this documentary? Do you feel you swallow on every little piece of **** that hbo feeds you in the future?

are you a sheep? are you that lazy that you have to rely on the understanding of a documentary?

Do everyone a favour and drop dead sheep

[Thread Stealer]

When did Hearns have an offer to fight Pryor? Were there any negotiations in play?

We do have written articles around this time that Pryor had offers from both Duran and Leonard, that Pryor rejected, not Duran and Leonard.

Of course, Sports Illustrated articles from the early 1980s and biographies on Roberto Duran aren't as reliable as a documentary series that claims a Nicaraguan judge named Ken Morita had Arguello far ahead of Pryor (by a whopping 2 points) and that Chavez dominated the rematch with Taylor.

It's strange that a well-made and entertaining series could pollute the minds of so many boxing fans with bull****.

[Obama]

Spoken like a true dunce.Tell me,Which was your favourite episode from the Legendary Nights series? And which episode did you learn the most from?

All that hate weighs heavy on your heart son. Let it go. And my favorite Legendary Night Series is....Bowe vs Golota. Haven't seen one on Pryor.

[StarshipTrooper]

Aaron Pryor was an avoided fighter, like it or not. And Arguello isn't the only HOFer on Pryor's resume. Cervantes ring a bell? Yes I know, he was also past his prime...not the point.

Let me ask you this, who did Aaron Pryor duck?

Cervantes wasn't past prime he was washed up. At the time Pryor fought him Antonio hadn't beaten a name fighter since Saul Mamby in 1976. Provide real evidence that Hearns and Leonard ducked him, not unsubstantiated llegations. In any case the question isn't "who Pryor ducked" (and since it was HE who rejected the Leonard offer it sure looks like he ducked Sugar Ray); the question is who did Pryor beat that would make Hearns and Leonard et al fear him? Aaron Pryor was a big fish in a small pond and it takes more than that to get compared to the big boys. I didn't exactly see Aaron beating down the door to fight Cuevas or Benitez either. You're boy wasn't a superstar: Live with it.

Poet

[Obama]

Cervantes wasn't past prime he was washed up. At the time Pryor fought him Antonio hadn't beaten a name fighter since Saul Mamby in 1976. Provide real evidence that Hearns and Leonard ducked him, not unsubstanciated allegations. In any case the question isn't "who Pryor ducked" (and since it was HE who rejected the Leonard offer it sure looks like he ducked Sugar Ray); the question is who did Pryor beat that would make Hearns and Leonard et al fear him? Aaron Pryor was a big fish in a small pond and it takes more than that to get compared to the big boys. I didn't exactly see Aaron beating down the door to fight Cuevas or Benitez either. You're boy wasn't a superstar: Live with it.

Poet

Now he's my boy, lol, ok man. I've written in like 10 threads total in my life about Pryor, 5 in the last 2 weeks due to the documentary that came out. In one of the earlier ones I was backing Carmen Basilio to beat him head to head. Pryor would only make the tail end of my top 100 ATG list

Doesn't change the fact that he was avoided tho.

[StarshipTrooper]

Pryor would only make the tail end of my top 100 ATG list

That had better be the tail end of the top 100 Welters and NOT top 100 p4p: Aaron never earned his way onto any p4p lists.

Doesn't change the fact that he was avoided tho.

Provide real evidence not unsubstantiated claims: In other words, put up or shut up

Poet

[Obama]

That had better be the tail end of the top 100 Welters and NOT top 100 p4p: Aaron never earned his way onto any p4p lists.

He's rated as a Lightweight by most, since it was a division he was actually in and would have remained in longer if he could have gotten the fights he wanted there.

From Cyber Boxing Zone:

Pryor was a non-stop fighting machine who seemingly never tired; He threw punches - lefts and rights - from all angles; He possessed great stamina and was relentless in his attack; He could dish it out and take it too; Aaron scored a knockout in 87.5 percent of his bouts

During his career, he won the WBA Light Welterweight Championship of the World and the IBF Light Welterweight Championship of the World

The "Hawk" defeated such men as Alexis Arguello, Antonio Cervantes, Gary Hinton, Sang Hyun Kim, Nick Furlano, Dujuan Johnson, Akio Kameda, Miguel Montilla, Johnny Summerhays, Alfonso "Peppermint" Frazer, Al Ford, Leonidas Asprilla, Danny Myers, Gaetan Hart and Lennox Blackmoore

Herb Goldman ranked Pryor as the #5 All-Time Lightweight; Aaron was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in 1996 and the World Boxing Hall of Fame in 2001

From Cox's Corner:

Lightweight Ratings:

1. Joe Gans
2. Benny Leonard
3. Roberto Duran
4. Pernell Whitaker
5. Aaron Pryor
6. Barney Ross
7. Tony Canzoneri
8. Julio Cesar Chavez
9. Jack Blackburn
10. Ike Williams