If Rumble In The Jungle Happened In A Cage

[StarshipTrooper]

as roy jones once said to larry merchant you woundt know larry you havent been in a ring. same with you, how can you comment on anything when you never had the heart to lace the up.

instead of being a keyboard warrior go and give them teeth a brush, and you poetry is turd, it's about as good as your hair! lol

How would know? You've never had an intelligent thought in your life. It certainly doesn't take much intellect to make a dozen alts and hide under them like a little ***** while you act like a typical internet troll. As for RJJ, there's a reason why HBO goes through color commentators fast than Butterbean goes through toilet paper after taking Ex-Lax: They make only two types of comments 1) Completely idiotic ones; or 2) Observations so blatantly obvious that your typical 5 year old watching can see it.

Poet

[RingSlam]

I'm afraid you're the definition of a "keyboard warrior". You'd never say this to my face, heck, you don't even dare to use your real account but rather an alt to say it on the internet.

How pathetic is that?

I would say it to your face belive me. ANSWER MY QUESTION. HAVE YOU EVER BOXED?

[TheGreatA]

I would say it to your face belive me. ANSWER MY QUESTION. HAVE YOU EVER BOXED?

Lets not pretend that you would say it to my face, since you won't even do it on the internet with your main account. Do that and maybe I'll believe you.

I won't answer the question because it very clearly frustrates and annoys you that I haven't so far. Keep speculating about it.

[mickey malone]

I believe both have been proven myths by now. Ali didn't tell anyone that he would lay on the ropes against Foreman, he probably didn't even think of doing it himself until after the first round.

"Angelo Dundee works out of the Fifth Street Gym in Miami. He is the trainer the public knows best, mainly because he has had more fighters on television than anyone else, is often hired for instant analysis between rounds and is united visually with Ali in the public mind. When left alone, that is, when he is not working with Ali, Dundee runs a sharp corner, complemented by two seconds who are the best in the business: Luis Sarrea, the wordless Cuban, and Dr. Ferdie Pacheco, for whom boxing is one of many avocations.

The charge that Dundee tampered with the ropes in Zai�re (making them sag, to allow Ali to play them beautifully) is not true, but the trick is not beyond him. He is expert at prefight detail—not only ropes and canvas but publicity and propaganda.

Working in Ali's corner has been exasperating for Angelo, whose only balm is the money and a closeness to an authentic legend. Ali trains Ali, and he sometimes is a ruthless, heartless conditioner. The situation reduces Dundee almost to being a figurehead, a gregarious, eminently quotable press guide, a mediator of camp wrangles, a watcher of the camp's body politic. And few remember that it was Angelo who saved at least two major fights for Ali. But his role with Ali does not diminish him. He is quick of mind. He can follow a fighter's most convoluted thoughts. He knows how to get response. And he has no peer as a cut man—or as a survivor in a tattered way of life."

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"The British boxing newspaper Boxing News conducted an investigation into the 'split glove' incident in 2003. Using the original television and radio broadcasts to determine length of time between rounds 4 and 5 it was discovered that Cassius Clay only gained 5 seconds extra and not the mythical 3-5 minutes. The gloves were never changed. Other sources on the matter confirm this.[4] [5] After this fight a spare pair of gloves were always required at ringside. What is certain however, is that Dundee broke a phial containing an unknown substance and held it under Clay's nose in an effort to revive his man, which was illegal.[6] Clay was obviously impressed by the knockdown and on the 40th anniversary telephoned Cooper to reminisce. Clay who had changed his name to Muhammad Ali in 1964, later said, on British television, that Cooper "had hit [him] so hard that his ancestors in Africa felt it". In 1966 they met a second time at Arsenal Stadium in London to contest the world title. Cooper succumbed again to his weakness, a tendency to cut, and Ali went on to be "The Greatest"."

Thankyou.. One of the best informative posts I've read in a long time! I appreciate it when someone takes the extra time to explain things in precise detail.. I studied the video & 5 seconds was spot on to.. However... That video has been tampered with.. You can actually see where it's been cut, immediately after the knock down.. I'm also confused with: The gloves were NEVER changed, but a spare pair of gloves were ALWAYS required at ringside AFTER this fight & after BLATANTLY administering an illegal substance, it makes you smell a rat doesn't it?
I was too young to watch the fight then, but my Father wasn't, and he was the last person to even discuss myths.. He's always said, that it was minutes as opposed to seconds & so has Cooper, Harry Carpenter & at least 50% of every boxing historian that ever lived.. Just as a quick example, I just picked up History Of The Fight Game by Peter Brooke-Hall, where it quotes: "Angelo Dundee indulged in some time wasting tactics during the break." I'm sorry, but in my opinion, Ali only won the 2nd fight fair & square.. It's all clever stuff when you consider the void between slyness & humility..

[TheGreatA]

Thankyou.. One of the best informative posts I've read in a long time! I appreciate it when someone takes the extra time to explain things in precise detail.. I studied the video & 5 seconds was spot on to.. However... That video has been tampered with.. You can actually see where it's been cut, immediately after the knock down.. I'm also confused with: The gloves were NEVER changed, but a spare pair of gloves were ALWAYS required at ringside AFTER this fight & after BLATANTLY administering an illegal substance, it makes you smell a rat doesn't it?
I was too young to watch the fight then, but my Father wasn't, and he was the last person to even discuss myths.. He's always said, that it was minutes as opposed to seconds & so has Cooper, Harry Carpenter & at least 50% of every boxing historian that ever lived.. Just as a quick example, I just picked up History Of The Fight Game by Peter Brooke-Hall, where it quotes: "Angelo Dundee indulged in some time wasting tactics during the break." I'm sorry, but in my opinion, Ali only won the 2nd fight fair & square.. It's all clever stuff when you consider the void between slyness & humility..

I've heard from ringside viewers that there was no delay.

[GJC]

and how would you know? you have never laced a glove on in your life, so you wound't know what goes on in a boxing ring. So dont come on here like you've boxed and telling people what saps energy etc,

Do you need to have boxed to be able to give an opinion on boxing? I have boxed but whilst it does give you another perspective I wouldn't have said it gave me any more insight than watching an awful lot of fights. I didn't really get the chance to analyse the fights I was in as I was too busy either blocking or trying to hit the other guy.
You will probably find that the greater the boxer the less insight they could give as they don't have to think about it they just do it so to speak.

Bit like saying you need to be a cat or a dog to be a vegetarian, no?

[mickey malone]

I've heard from ringside viewers that there was no delay.

All controversial athletes tend to have the best spin doctors behind them.. Even 40 odd years later, there is no general consensus, & many outcomes are still shrouded in doubt.. Ali of all people, wasn't exempt from this quandary.. So as 2 guys that wern't there, we have to stand & be counted.. What we hear is not what we experience.. What we experience, we can believe & we can understand.. Sports history, in some cases is an undisclosed subject, hence the never ending controversy....
Even though I can't commit myself, I still admire the sensibility of your argument.. Regards MM

[GJC]

I've heard from ringside viewers that there was no delay.

I actually missed out on seeing the 1st Clay v Cooper fight, should have gone, long story.
Saw the second one. Few of my friends went, as I recall certainly wasn't 3-5 minutes, that is an urban myth, but wasn't 5 seconds either. I have 30 seconds in my aging mind. Think the 2 biggest factors were that the ropes cushioned Clay/Ali's fall and that it was right on the bell.
Cooper definately caught him and had it have been in the middle of the ring with Ali hitting the canvas with a bump or had Cooper had another minute then who knows?
What we now know and we didn't then was Ali's phenominal chin.
Ah well Enry has probably made more money out of the what might have been than he would of otherwise.

[JAB5239]

and how would you know? you have never laced a glove on in your life, so you wound't know what goes on in a boxing ring. So dont come on here like you've boxed and telling people what saps energy etc, because you woundt know or never will because you were to scared to get in a ring.

You stick to writing behind a keyboard, and acting like a keyboard warrior. But dont dare act like you've been in a ring, skidmark!

I have been in the ring, and missing wild punches saps a fighters energy.

[GJC]

I have been in the ring, and missing wild punches saps a fighters energy.

I used to find keep climbing off the canvas draining too