If Rumble In The Jungle Happened In A Cage

[Southpaw Stinger]

You'd think the last place you'd want to be against Foreman is on the ropes. I'd rather be on the other side of the ropes.

[RightCross94]

they might as well have fought in a cage, ali didnt move all that much

[StarshipTrooper]

hahaaa poet's legit insane. Boxing is violence, don't pretend it isn't. The most violent fighters (dempsey and tyson) have always drawn the biggests crowds. It's a beautiful sport but don't pretend the beauty is exclusive of the violence. If you think it is, I suggest you actually take yourself up on that underwater basketweaving idea.

I watch boxing for many reasons but the violence isn't one of them. Unlike you I don't get off on that ****e. Maybe MMA is indeed the sport for you as you seem to lack the intellect for a more sophisticated sport such as boxing. MMA is the perfect entertainment venue for someone such as yourself who's higher brain functions seem to be stuck on the caveman level.

Poet

[Kinetic Linking]

You're in the minority. Like I said, Tyson and Dempsey drew the biggest crowds because they were the most violent. People pay to see knockouts.

Anyway, I wasn't at all offended by that comment, even though you did call me ******. I will watch a little more MMA as I do like excitement. To be fair, though, the two sports have a lot in common. Boxing is still the dominant discipline in heavyweight MMA, and a lot of the top MMA guys aren't nearly as talented as the top boxing guys (see sylvia vs. mercer).

Actually, to backtrack a little, I'm going to call bull**** on your disinterest in violence. There's just no way a boxing fan doesn't like violence. If you didn't, you'd be too repulsed to watch. If you're looking for beauty, watch ice skating, dancing, or even basketball. The term "sweet science" has always been semi-ironic. Boxing is a brutal sport, and if you don't get it, you're the dummy.

[paul750]

I don't see how leaning against the ropes could diffuse Foreman's power.

Foreman's whole strategy was to get his opponent against the ropes/cornered. He was simply wide open for counter punches and threw punches that a smart boxer could see coming from a mile away.

Peralta, Ali and Young were the best boxers he fought during his first career, it is no surprise that he struggled with all of them.

Ali didn't exactly have a glass jaw either. When Earnie Shavers landed pin-point right hands on Ali's jaw (ones that Ali never saw coming), they had little effect on him.

There's no give at all against a cage. There's plenty of slack against ropes, though. And if we're talking about small gloves, that's another big reason. Also remember that you cannot use the same type of guard when you aren't wearing boxing gloves. Those bone crunching shots in that situation would wear almost anyone down. Ali could take a punch, but he wasn't made of rubber. There's no way he could have stood against a cage and took those punches from a guy wearing mitts.

[paul750]

You'd think the last place you'd want to be against Foreman is on the ropes. I'd rather be on the other side of the ropes.

It's somewhat of an illusion though. With the ropes being slack Ali wasn't taking the type of blows he would be if he was standing up against something solid.

[StarshipTrooper]

You're in the minority. Like I said, Tyson and Dempsey drew the biggest crowds because they were the most violent. People pay to see knockouts.

Guess what? I don't. I'm just as happy watching a chess match ending in a split decision as I am a punch out ending in a KO.

Actually, to backtrack a little, I'm going to call bull**** on your disinterest in violence. There's just no way a boxing fan doesn't like violence. If you didn't, you'd be too repulsed to watch. If you're looking for beauty, watch ice skating, dancing, or even basketball. The term "sweet science" has always been semi-ironic. Boxing is a brutal sport, and if you don't get it, you're the dummy.

Violence neither attracts nor repulses me. I prefer the cerebral side of boxing in anycase. I'm not into featuring a lot of gratuitous violence for violence sake (Resevour Dogs is NOT on my watch list) nor do I play video games filled with overt blood and guts. Sorry, not into that sort of thing. As for fighters, my preference is for the skilled boxer-puncher as opposed to the crude sluggers.

Poet

[Southpaw Stinger]

It's somewhat of an illusion though. With the ropes being slack Ali wasn't taking the type of blows he would be if he was standing up against something solid.

The fact remains though that Foreman had Ali right in front of him and couldn't put him away.

[Kinetic Linking]

so you're completely indifferent to violence. Now that's strange.

[Southpaw Stinger]

Love me some violence.