Wladimir Klitschko

[GJC]

** Sorry, but one win over Foreman in a fight where his trainer admits to adjusting the ropes does not a career make.

You poor chaps lack the ability to understand context which is why you are doomed to opinions that have no gravitas and change daily. Foreman was a nice victory that put Ali back in the mix, but Foreman was not yet Foreman the Legend that he made himself in his comeback.

But guess what? Ali begins to crack top 10 lists for the first time after this bout, or did you forget that the typical geniuses(genii) of the day had considered him on the same level as Wlad today, ie, a nothing until Foreman.

The adjusting the ropes to help Ali is a myth as Dundee did not expect Ali to go to the ropes. Dundee was trying to tighten them.
You think that comeback 1990's Foreman was better than 1970's Foreman? Interesting opinion.
What top 10 lists are you referring to? ATG or the contenders as at 1974 list? Ali was considered to be in a decline after the Frazier and Norton losses pre Foreman its true but a lot rated him quite highly for his dominant reign pre ban as I recall.

[GJC]

If Ali is as good as advertised, one would think his legacy would hold up. I don't see the Klitchkos as a threat to his legacy, but they do give his legacy some context since he is now seen as one of the last of the smaller heavy champs. Hey, Rocky one of the smallest champs ever, and his legacy holds up well, so why the fuss?

Sorry missed this bit. His legacy does hold up.
Last of the smaller heavy champs? Well he is taller than, Byrd, Peter, Ruiz, Holyfield, Ibragimov, Chagaev, Moorer, TYson, Bruno, Seldon so think his dwarfism wouldn't have held him back over the last 10 years or so.
Ok he isn't as big as Lewis, Bowe and the Klits but Ali wasn't as big as Terrell and just about coped.

[StarshipTrooper]

Just who do you consider the "ko monster' of the day? and exactly who did he defeat to be considered a "ko monster"? if you're talking about Sam Peter then clue me in onto who he defeated to be considered such a destroyer? Did he upend an alltime great in devastating fashion?

Just because a vast majority of people predicted he could do great things doesn't make him a "monster"...so please, drop some of your "knowledge" and educate me on who this great "monster" was that evokes such great luster on Wlad's career. If indeed it is Samuel Peter we should end this right now, no way in hell can you base a victory of Peter in the same class as Ali/Foreman?

I love it. Just because someone doesn't agree you assume no one has seen the fight. If indeed you do box you may need to look into quitting, apparently you've taken one too many shots to the dome because judging by alot of your "skewed" views thats the case. If you need some help I know a great neurologist.

Okay lets go....start with Sonny Liston. Who exactly has Wlad defeated that can compare to Liston? Same with Foreman & Frazier. What highly touted contenders did Wlad defeat that can compare to fighters like Quarry and Bonavena? I can't wait to see you try to shoot holes in the 60's-70's era heavyweights because I'm pretty sure that is the path you are about to take.

There is no one on Wlad's list of wins that can compare to those 5, regardless of what you roll out. So please, educate us.

You take the cake old man, I give you that. Your statements are only matched by your lack of insight into the venom you spew. Liston was a 8-1/10-1 favorite (i dont remember which) going into the fight. Hardly anyone gave Ali a chance. Ali even admitted he was scared of Liston and his intimidation tactics. Ali went in and totally outclassed and frustrated Liston. For you to even try and say otherwise is ridiculous.

It is absolutely f.cking amazing the lengths you go to discredit Ali. What did he do? Steal your girl back in the day so that you still hold a grudge?

Try not to get TOO upset Hawkins: We all know that LRR's minders down at the home occasionally let him out of the rubber room and he invariably finds his way to a computer. It really must be hard him, after all suffering from both senility AND dementia is a tough row to hoe.

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

The adjusting the ropes to help Ali is a myth as Dundee did not expect Ali to go to the ropes. Dundee was trying to tighten them.
You think that comeback 1990's Foreman was better than 1970's Foreman? Interesting opinion.
What top 10 lists are you referring to? ATG or the contenders as at 1974 list? Ali was considered to be in a decline after the Frazier and Norton losses pre Foreman its true but a lot rated him quite highly for his dominant reign pre ban as I recall.

You'll eventually catch on: LRR NEVER lets reality ruin a good myth if said myth redounds to Ali's discredit.

Poet

[GJC]

You'll eventually catch on: LRR NEVER lets reality ruin a good myth if said myth redounds to Ali's discredit.

Poet

I'm assuming he has got to be tongue in cheek here???

[StarshipTrooper]

I'm assuming he has got to be tongue in cheek here???

Sad thing is he's dead serious.

Poet

[Hawkins]

I'm assuming he has got to be tongue in cheek here???

Sadly you would be mistaken.

[GJC]

Sadly you would be mistaken.

Just started watching boxing? Got into it with the Klits that kind of thing?

[Hawkins]

Just started watching boxing? Got into it with the Klits that kind of thing?

well from his profile, and some of his statements, he's been into boxing longer than i've been alive. maybe boxing on planetLRR is different than the rest of the world...who knows. makes for some good entertainment thats for sure.

[GJC]

well from his profile, and some of his statements, he's been into boxing longer than i've been alive. maybe boxing on planetLRR is different than the rest of the world...who knows. makes for some good entertainment thats for sure.

Well I'm 70!
Maybe I'm keeping the alzheimers at bay better than I thought!
It's not I like any fighter as long as he is white stance?