Rocky Marciano Vs Lennox Lewis, Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield

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in the 1950's people weren't smaller, they just ate less. You had big dudes back then. There is a difference between a big fighter who's naturally big (Foreman) comes in at 225, 5% body fat. Look how big Foreman got in the 90's (260-270) that was fat, and he fit right in with all the big heavies.

There have always been guys as big as him. Rocky just never seemed to fight them.

Look how big Abe Simon was with Louis fought him. All modern nutrition has done is made legit larger men capable athletes, or packed muscle on smaller men.

Jess Willard was the same size as Vitali, only Vitali is a capable athlete, Willard was not. That's the difference. The only thing making us naturally bigger is fast food.

The size theory works when you look at people in the medieval ages who ate literally garbage. You can't tell me guys like Mike and Foreman had awesome diets as a youth, where they were already over 200 lbs. Foreman frequently went on how he craved food.

Kids just ate less back then, if you wanted to be bigger you had to eat more. Now everyone eats more. That's why Foreman, Tyson, Lewis are still the biggest dudes, because once they ate more they had frames even bigger than aereola to begin with.

Rocky doesn't have a big frame, and he had a good diet as well.

Ofcourse there were big people then but there were less of them. The issue is "stock", not necessarily what an individual's diet does to that same individual. More babies are born larger now, you can see the size difference from very early on. Now granted it is not that dramatic a difference when compared to the Middle Ages or the 18th century. Such babies would have been exceedingly rare during those times.

[them_apples]

Prime Foreman
Reach = 82
Chest/Norm. = 42
Chest/Exp. = 44½
Waist = 34
Biceps = 15
Neck = 17
Wrist = 7½
Calf = 17
Ankle = 9½
Thigh = 25
Fist = 12
Forearm = 13½

Prime Marciano
Reach= 68
Chest/Norm.=39
Chest/Exp.= 42
Waist= 32
Biceps= 14
Neck=16¾
Wrist= 7¼
Calf= 14¾
Ankle= 10
Thigh= 22
First=11½
Forearm= 12

Beyond the height and wingspan difference, Marciano and Foreman are actually built very similar in terms of skeletal frames and even muscular thickness. Not as big a difference as you would expect.

Vitali being a more capable athlete than Willard is pretty debatable as well. Willard had quick hands himself as well as fantastic stamina and conditioning.

Let me correct myself, Vitali is an average athlete, Willard is a bad athlete, the guy must not have had a single fast twitch fiber in his body. Don't go thinking I'm building Vitali up to be something great, he's slow as mud.

I also don't see the mythical speed you claim Willard has.

[KostyaTszyu44]

holy and lewis beat him convincingly

he may have chance against tyson if he can last the early onslaught and then break him down, all depends if his chin can hold up to the early assualt

[KostyaTszyu44]

Prime Foreman
Reach = 82
Chest/Norm. = 42
Chest/Exp. = 44½
Waist = 34
Biceps = 15
Neck = 17
Wrist = 7½
Calf = 17
Ankle = 9½
Thigh = 25
Fist = 12
Forearm = 13½

Prime Marciano
Reach= 68
Chest/Norm.=39
Chest/Exp.= 42
Waist= 32
Biceps= 14
Neck=16¾
Wrist= 7¼
Calf= 14¾
Ankle= 10
Thigh= 22
First=11½
Forearm= 12

Beyond the height and wingspan difference, Marciano and Foreman are actually built very similar in terms of skeletal frames and even muscular thickness. Not as big a difference as you would expect.

Vitali being a more capable athlete than Willard is pretty debatable as well. Willard had quick hands himself as well as fantastic stamina and conditioning.

lmao!!!!!!

willard was an utter joke, he was slow as hell and had a glass jaw, worse than carnera IMO, not a natural fighter at all

im no vitali fan but thats insulting to compare him to willard

[KostyaTszyu44]

"Rocky's too small and slow.." "Rocky's too small and slow.."

This is all I ever hear from you. Never mind the guy had a cannon for a right hand! Never mind he could also knock you out with his left! Never mind the guy was better conditioned than any fighter on the planet! Never mind he was utterly impervious to pain! Never mind he retired undefeated and with a ridiculously high KO percentage! Never mind he possessed more toughness and grit than Lummox, Tin Mike, and Evander combined!

Yours is a pathetic, defeatist attitude, and I fear it says a lot about your personality.

my ass, rocky was nowhere near as tough as evander, evander is the bravest warrior in the history of boxing, past prime as far back as when he ko'd by bowe in '95 and still fighting and had some good wins after that, evander hasnt had all too many fights, but damn near every one of them was a goddamn war!

[them_apples]

my ass, rocky was nowhere near as tough as evander, evander is the bravest warrior in the history of boxing, past prime as far back as when he ko'd by bowe in '95 and still fighting and had some good wins after that, evander hasnt had all too many fights, but damn near every one of them was a goddamn war!

I love how he hypes Rocky up. Saying he has a cannon for a right hand. What, do Lewis and Tyson not possess power all of a sudden?

The toughness part..lol. Rocky hit the canvas a whole lot more than Evander.

I green kd you btw

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my ass, rocky was nowhere near as tough as evander

I think a couple of billion fight fans might take issue with that statement.

[them_apples]

I think a couple of billion fight fans might take issue with that statement.

i think you and knighte will, that's about it.

I will leave a note and say Rocky was very tough, but he went down a lot more than Evander. You can't argue who's tougher though because neither ever came close to quitting.

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Marciano was down only twice in his professional career - at the hands of two terrific punchers - and neither knockdown so much as phased him.

Evander was down a couple of times too, wasn't he? And didn't he lose a couple of fights by TKO?

[them_apples]

Marciano was down only twice in his professional career - at the hands of two terrific punchers - and neither knockdown so much as phased him.

Evander was down a couple of times too, wasn't he? And didn't he lose a couple of fights by TKO?

He got knocked down by Toney when he was in his mid forties.


I'm not really debating Rocky's toughness, we all know he's tough. Knight claimed he was TOUGHER than the likes the Holyfield, and proceeded to call Tyson a tin man or something along the lines of that.

I'd like to see how Rocky would stand up to the punches Bowe threw at Holyfield.

If Rocky was fighting at 47, i'm sure he would have lost by TKO as well.