Iron Mike Tyson

[Knighte]

Then you better start picking on all the other heavyweight greats If you have a ****** mentality like that. I guess biting someones ear off automatically makes your achievements not count in your book.

Why do you keep backing that loser??

Arrgggg *picks Themapples up and shakes him*

There is NO excuse for a champion to a) deteriorate as quickly as Tyson did b) lose to tomato cans c) not avenge a single one of his defeats and d) conduct himself like a blithering idiot in and out of the ring

I understand he is a colorful fighter who knocks big guys flying across the ring, but he should not be mentioned in the same breath as his contemporary Lennox Lewis, who was a superior boxer in every conceivable way.

[them_apples]

Why do you keep backing that loser??

Arrgggg *picks Themapples up and shakes him*

There is NO excuse for a champion to a) deteriorate as quickly as Tyson did b) lose to tomato cans c) not avenge a single one of his defeats and d) conduct himself like a blithering idiot in and out of the ring

I understand he is a colorful fighter who knocks big guys flying across the ring, but he should not be mentioned in the same breath as his contemporary Lennox Lewis, who was a superior boxer in every conceivable way.

Because the reasons for you disregarding him are ******. You are saying he sucks because of his attitude.

I back a lot of fighters. I could say the same about you with Rocky. Why do you keep backing him? He's overrated and has a lousy resume. A lot of good fighters would be undefeated if they fought his opposition.

[anto86]

were wuz lewis when tyson wuz top man

[KostyaTszyu44]

I think Tyson would tear Liston a new one, way to quick

hmm i doubt that

liston had a good chin (second ali loss was incredibly su****ious) great jab, hit hard and was physically strong and intimidating

i thnk it would have been an explosive first 3-4 rounds, tyson bobbing and weaving, coming in with combinations, liston pumping up the jab and loading his right, both giving as good as they get before tyson's relentless assualt begins to slow down just a touch, and liston psushes forward more and starts landing more frequently, putting rounds in the bank before his punches start to really take their toll and he prevails by late stoppage

[them_apples]

hmm i doubt that

liston had a good chin (second ali loss was incredibly su****ious) great jab, hit hard and was physically strong and intimidating

i thnk it would have been an explosive first 3-4 rounds, tyson bobbing and weaving, coming in with combinations, liston pumping up the jab and loading his right, both giving as good as they get before tyson's relentless assualt begins to slow down just a touch, and liston psushes forward more and starts landing more frequently, putting rounds in the bank before his punches start to really take their toll and he prevails by late stoppage

Liston has a pretty good style to beat Tyson, heavy hands, durability - solid defense for a puncher.

I can't see Lewis taking on a prime Tyson though, with his safety first, fight on the back foot approach.

[res]

Then you better start picking on all the other heavyweight greats If you have a ****** mentality like that. I guess biting someones ear off automatically makes your achievements not count in your book.

@ res



I've argued with you about this before, he does not have the greatest wins in comparison to Ali and Foreman, but you are downgrading his wins massively.

Holmes was old yes, I agree - but so were all of Rocky's opponents, a name that seems to show up all to often on ATG lists.

Holmes at least came back and was competitive.

Spinks was a "blown up" light heavyweight that never lost....need I go any further? How many LHW's did Rocky fight? At least you can make the case that Spinks filled in quite nicely and had some solid wins at heavyweight.

We were arguing about Dempsey to, I can't see how him beating Jess Willard's and Gunboats Smiths be any more credible than the average rate opponents Tyson beat up. Those guys had multitudes of losses on their records.

Keep in mind, I'm only comparing. I fully agree Tyson does not have the greatest set of wins under his belt, but very, very few heavyweights actually do. Only half of the ATG hw's actually have real credible opponents. Their greatness is based on other things.

Louis greatness comes by the way of 25 defenses, Holmes mainly because he almost beat Rocky's record and fought in a better era. Rocky is great because he never lost. I don't even know why Dempsey is great other than being interesting to watch. Holyfield is great because of his 4 time world champion status.

so really you have Ali, Foreman and? fill me in? those are the only 2 ATG hw's off the top of my head that have career defining wins over amazing opponents.

so why does Tyson come across to you as having such a horrible resume? they were an average set of wins that your typical ATG heavyweight has, he dominated his time and unified, add the fact that he's the youngest champ ever and he's looking pretty good in terms of ATG hw status.

no.7 or 8 for me, as I have said before.

I guess you can throw Fraziers win over Ali in there to.

On the Holmes comparison, Rocky fought fighters who were not just greats but who were dominant in the sport at the time he was fighting them. They also didn't just last for 4 rounds, which is significant since even you believe that prime Holmes could have beaten Tyson. His performance is an indication of just how much he had slidden. Tyson does have his win over Spinx

On Dempsey, as i said before, the real test is beating the best of your time. If you have a beef with that whole era that is different from a beef with Dempsey. Jack proved himself against the best (Including Firpo, Gibbons, Carpentier) and only one man of the time was able to truly dominate him. Tyson was never actually even a real player among the best of his era. They all duked it out in classic bouts while he rested on his reputation for savagely knocking out the mediocre fighters of the era .

[res]

I can't see Lewis taking on a prime Tyson though, with his safety first, fight on the back foot approach.

I agree with you man. Did you see that jab that knocked Lewis stumbling backward in the first round of their fight? Hahaha.

People forget just how Lousy Lewis looked in the first round of that fight against a way post-prime Tyson (clip is below).

http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=lewis%20tyson&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv#

The thing is Lewis was entirely dependent on the uppercut and it was an uppercut timed to hit Tyson when he came in. Tyson was a quick counterpuncher in his hayday and that would have just been meat on his table. No way Lewis would have landed it round after round without being countered.

Understand my position, Tyson could have been a great fighter had circumstances been very different in my opinion. But in the end, life unfortunately is about what you do, not what you could have done.

[PLATE]

Because the reasons for you disregarding him are ******. You are saying he sucks because of his attitude.

I back a lot of fighters. I could say the same about you with Rocky. Why do you keep backing him? He's overrated and has a lousy resume. A lot of good fighters would be undefeated if they fought his opposition.

Who, Joe Louis? Archie Moore? Jersey Joe Walcott? Ezzard Charles? I'd hardly consider that 'weak opposition,' son.

I agree with you man. Did you see that jab that knocked Lewis stumbling backward in the first round of their fight? Hahaha.

People forget just how Lousy Lewis looked in the first round of that fight against a way post-prime Tyson

Nut-huggers.

Lewis was older than Tyson when they met and he beat your ***** into the ground!

[Boogie Nights]

Who, Joe Louis? Archie Moore? Jersey Joe Walcott? Ezzard Charles? I'd hardly consider that 'weak opposition,' son.




Nut-huggers.

Lewis was older than Tyson when they met and he beat your ***** into the ground!

[Knighte]

All this Tyson love is mystifying to me. I can only conclude it comes from casual observers of the sport and not die-hard purists. I guess I'll just have to reconcile with the fact that there always will be "fans" willing to lick his nads and keep his pathetic name alive for all eternity.

They can have him.