Iron Mike Tyson

[KostyaTszyu44]

The difference is when I was a kid I became a fan of the SPORT rather than any particular boxer. I had my favorite fighters but if they never were I'd still be a fan of the sport. No particular fighter got me "into" it.

Poet

same here, when it comes down to it im a boxing fan, not a toney fan or a sanchez fan...i mean i still love those fighters but ultimately it's the sport i like the most

i started training as a boxer and watching boxing cause its boxing, i liked the idea of two guys fighting fair with rules and that, not because "i saw iron mike knock some dude thru da ropes den i wanted to be a boxer!!!"

[Squabbles94806]

excuses excuses!!!!

it is ultimately tysons fault why he turned out to be a massive embarassment, not the people around him, the way people act you would think he was a ******ed 6 year old, plenty of fighter have had ****wits for managers and groupies, but they didnt go biting peoples ears off and smearing the reputation of the sweet science

I know and i completely understand. However, dealing with psychological issues can be a complicated thing.

Yes, Tyson should take responsibility for himself. If he can't then he should be committed. That doesn't go just for Tyson, but for people who can't take care of them psychologically as well.

But there's no denying the fact that Don King stiffed him. The people Tyson had around him almost clouded him and distracted him. I mean c'mon, even if i had a ***** load of money, my friends would question me why i would need a tiger. A fcukin rare Siberian tiger

And for biting the ear off of Holyfield? Oh yeah, i agree there's no excuse. That's post-jail Tyson. I'm primarily talkin about Tyson when he was 19-23. That was his prime. When he was an animal. Ironically, biting off Holyfield's ear did indicate he was still an animal. *yuk-yuk*

Tyson knew boxing. He knew how to box. He may not have been a mutli-dimensional fighter like Hopkins for example, but he did have good boxing skill along with his physical prowess.

He did get fcuked by the people he had around him though. That's fcuked up. generating millions and millions of dollars and you're millions and millions of dollars in debt. It's almost amazing as a broke drug dealer.

Tyson's dope. I dunno about his head, but i fcukin love his fighting style. 80s Iron Mike of course.

Is he getting in the Hall of Fame? Or is he already in the Hall of Fame?

[Axl Rose]

Tyson is the greatest champion since Ali.Poet: just keep uploading your poor ****ty quality videos

[Squabbles94806]

Tyson is the greatest champion since Ali.Poet: just keep uploading your poor ****ty quality videos

Since ALI? There was no one between ALI and Tyson? ALI's career ended in what early 80s? Tyson came up in the early 80s? That might be a true statement. I don't know about him being the people's champ and all that political bull***** behind it, but Tyson was dope though.

Tyson vs. Bruno I, that's a good Tyson fight to watch.

[res]

I know and i completely understand. However, dealing with psychological issues can be a complicated thing.

Yes, Tyson should take responsibility for himself. If he can't then he should be committed. That doesn't go just for Tyson, but for people who can't take care of them psychologically as well.

But there's no denying the fact that Don King stiffed him. The people Tyson had around him almost clouded him and distracted him. I mean c'mon, even if i had a ***** load of money, my friends would question me why i would need a tiger. A fcukin rare Siberian tiger

And for biting the ear off of Holyfield? Oh yeah, i agree there's no excuse. That's post-jail Tyson. I'm primarily talkin about Tyson when he was 19-23. That was his prime. When he was an animal. Ironically, biting off Holyfield's ear did indicate he was still an animal. *yuk-yuk*

Tyson knew boxing. He knew how to box. He may not have been a mutli-dimensional fighter like Hopkins for example, but he did have good boxing skill along with his physical prowess.

He did get fcuked by the people he had around him though. That's fcuked up. generating millions and millions of dollars and you're millions and millions of dollars in debt. It's almost amazing as a broke drug dealer.

Tyson's dope. I dunno about his head, but i fcukin love his fighting style. 80s Iron Mike of course.

Is he getting in the Hall of Fame? Or is he already in the Hall of Fame?

I partially agree, except i don't think it was so much the negative outside influences as much as the absence of one major positive influence: Cus Damato. Tyson, who was clearly psychologically unstable from the beginning, had no real family and was taken in as a kid by D'amato. When Da'mato died, the direction and restraint in his life was gone. I often say Mike Tyson the fighter was not one man but two. A child without a parent can do nothing and the man has been a psychological child for most of his life. He performed to please his parent and when he was gone he had no drive to perform, no one to please..

"Excuse" is a moral concept. This isn't about morality or responsibility, this is about sad facts.

Should everyone be able to take responsibility for their own life? Sure, but that has nothing to do with the reality of what happens if they do not or cannot. Personality can ruin talent, it's just a fact.

That said, no performance equals no greatness.

[The Iron Man]

I hope it's debatable because your questioning Tyson.

As for a Vs outcome i think Tyson would have alot of trouble with both men. I cant see him beating Foreman, the Liston fight would be closer and im not sure of the outcome.
But if we are talking about who was overall the greater fighter between the three then i dont see why Tyson should be totally dismissed.

[Reggie Miller]

Therein lies the only real problem on this forum: Too many posters here got into boxing because of Michael Gerard Tyson aka Leg-Iron Mike. Pathetic.

Poet

but nah, overall, tyson was a great fighter until don king and his people messed him up.

[StarshipTrooper]

Tyson is the greatest champion since Ali.Poet: just keep uploading your poor ****ty quality videos

If you don't like them don't download them.

Poet

[The Surgeon]

As for a Vs outcome i think Tyson would have alot of trouble with both men. I cant see him beating Foreman, the Liston fight would be closer and im not sure of the outcome.
But if we are talking about who was overall the greater fighter between the three then i dont see why Tyson should be totally dismissed.

I think Tyson would tear Liston a new one, way to quick

[StarshipTrooper]

I know and i completely understand. However, dealing with psychological issues can be a complicated thing.

Yes, Tyson should take responsibility for himself. If he can't then he should be committed. That doesn't go just for Tyson, but for people who can't take care of them psychologically as well.

But there's no denying the fact that Don King stiffed him. The people Tyson had around him almost clouded him and distracted him. I mean c'mon, even if i had a ***** load of money, my friends would question me why i would need a tiger. A fcukin rare Siberian tiger

And for biting the ear off of Holyfield? Oh yeah, i agree there's no excuse. That's post-jail Tyson. I'm primarily talkin about Tyson when he was 19-23. That was his prime. When he was an animal. Ironically, biting off Holyfield's ear did indicate he was still an animal. *yuk-yuk*

Tyson knew boxing. He knew how to box. He may not have been a mutli-dimensional fighter like Hopkins for example, but he did have good boxing skill along with his physical prowess.

He did get fcuked by the people he had around him though. That's fcuked up. generating millions and millions of dollars and you're millions and millions of dollars in debt. It's almost amazing as a broke drug dealer.

Tyson's dope. I dunno about his head, but i fcukin love his fighting style. 80s Iron Mike of course.

Is he getting in the Hall of Fame? Or is he already in the Hall of Fame?

Don King ****ed over everyone he ever had a "business" relationship with. Moreover he ****ed over boxing fans. I know some people like to point to the big fights he put together as evidence of how the fans benefited from him but the truth is for every great fight he put together there were two great fights he KEPT from happening.

I very rarely ever hold up Tyson's post-prison fights when seriously analyzing him as a fighter. I periodically will use them to rub in some nuthuggers face but for serious discussion I cut things off at the Ruddock fights. Post-prison Mike was more interested in maintaining his image as the "baddest man on the planet" than he was in winning fights. When viewed in this context his bizzare actions actually make sense. For example: Suffering another humiliating beating at the hands of Evander Holyfield would tarnish that image; by biting off Holyfield's ear it gave him a way out, he could lose the fight by DQ with his "street cred" intact. The audience Mike was playing to wouldn't say "Oh man, Tyson took a chump's way out and got DQed what a disgace." rather they would say "Oh man, Tyson's an ANIMAL he's SO BAAAAAD." Eating children and biting legs go right along with that.

I don't attempt to psycho-analyze Tyson. I'm simply NOT qualified to do that. I do understand psychiatric issues as I myself have Borderline Disorder and have been around mental health system more than a few times. Enough times to know that armchair diagnosis is just not helpful and all too frequently paints a misleading picture. Tyson ought to have gotten meaningful psychiatric assistance as a teen but it never happend. Now it may be too late. He certainly won't receive anything meaningful in prison and will most likely be released even more supremely ****ed up than he already is. That's sad, because regardless of my views of where Tyson stands on the ATG list he is the one fighter I would like to sit down with a cup of coffee and analyze old fights with: He's the one fighter who has consistantly shown an appreciation for boxing's rich history and he's a top-notch analyst to boot. I remember watching a Bruno fight from the late 80s and Tyson sat in for a couple with the announcers. He analyzed what was going on in the ring better than the vast majority of experts that usually comment during broadcasts, spotting things the others just flat out missed. Post-boxing career he would have made a first rate broadcast expert for HBO or Showtime.

Poet