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[StarshipTrooper]

That's a scary possibility. What part of ******ia do you live in anyway? I'm in the Bristol/Tri Cities area myself.

I'm in Northern ******ia, near Manassas.

Poet

[haploid]

good job. thanks for this list. only knew few of them.

just one reaction, shouldn't marco antonio barrera be lower than manny pacquiao?

[warp1432]

Heavyweight:
1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Holmes
4. Lewis
5. Foreman
6. Johnson
7. Holyfield
8. Frazier
9. Tyson
10. Marciano

Light Heavyweight:
1. Archie Moore
2. Ezzard Charles
3. Gene Tunney
4. Michael Spinks
5. Bob Foster
6. Roy Jones Jr.
7. Billy Conn
8. Tommy Loughran
9. Tommy Gibbons
10. Dwight Muhammad Qawi

Middleweights:
1. Marvin Hagler
2. Harry Greb
3. Carlos Monzon
4. Stanley Ketchel
5. Bernard Hopkins
6. Bob Fitzsimmons
7. Ray Robinson
8. **** Tiger
9. Charley Burley
10. Jake Lamotta

That's all I've bothered to make. Haven't really done it for the other 14 divisions.

[StarshipTrooper]

good job. thanks for this list. only knew few of them.

just one reaction, shouldn't marco antonio barrera be lower than manny pacquiao?

Pacquiao twice beat a past-prime Barrera, not a good meauring stick. As it stands, Pacquiao is still active and in his prime so final place is far from settled.

Poet

[warp1432]

Pacquiao twice beat a past-prime Barrera, not a good meauring stick. As it stands, Pacquiao is still active and in his prime so final place is far from settled.

Poet

I'm curious to why you have Ray Robinson #1 at Middleweight with his inconsistency. He has a good resume there, but he is not the best there.

[Southpaw16BF]

Pacquiao twice beat a past-prime Barrera, not a good meauring stick. As it stands, Pacquiao is still active and in his prime so final place is far from settled.

Poet

I agree with that Barrera was past his his best in the second fight, but not the first fight against Manny.

Going into the first Manny fight Barrera hadn't been beat in 3 years, and that was a fight he should of won against Erick Morales, so he had not been propley beaten since 1997, by former world champion Junior Jones. That 6 years, and he also had great wins in that run including Naseem Hamed(35-0), Erik Morales(40-0), and Johnny Tapia(52-2-2).

But there was rumours of under training due to personal problems, but you can't take nothing away from Manny's win, he destroyed Barrera, from the get go.

And after this loss to Manny, Barrea would go unbeaten for 3 years and had wins over Paulie Ayala,Erik Morales,Rocky Juarezx2, and the streak would end to current #2 P4P Juan Manuel Marquez.

And he would also end up back higher than Manny in the P4P ranking, so i just don't think Barrea was a washed fighter the first time Manny fought him ,as he proved with his record pre fight and what he when on to do after there fight.

Just my view.

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Foster was a beast at 175. Like Spinks, he was undefeated at that weight only losing to Heavyweights. Taking nothing away from Spinks, who's a favorite of mine, I just think Foster was a bit more dangerous.

Poet

I see where you are coming from but I would put Spinks higher based on the division (possibly the toughest 175 title fights post-WW2 -of course if the right people got their shots in the 40s, Charles, Moore and so on that would not be the case) he ruled and on his better adventure at HW (even tho... should it matter for the 175 ranking? I dunno).

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Honestly I'm on the fence about how good Taylor really is and whether he's good enough to be considered a near-great or not. I put him in with the near-greats because I figured SOMEONE was going to ask if I didn't include him.

Poet

I think Taylor is terribly sloppy. He is an athlete but not really a fighter. Not because he lacks heart (I don't think he lacks heart at all), but because his skills, his ring generalship are rather poor for the level of fighter he should be.

[StarshipTrooper]

I agree with that Barrera was past his his best in the second fight, but not the first fight against Manny.

Going into the first Manny fight Barrera hadn't been beat in 3 years, and that was a fight he should of won against Erick Morales, so he had not been propley beaten since 1997, by former world champion Junior Jones. That 6 years, and he also had great wins in that run including Naseem Hamed(35-0), Erik Morales(40-0), and Johnny Tapia(52-2-2).

But there was rumours of under training due to personal problems, but you can't take nothing away from Manny's win, he destroyed Barrera, from the get go.

And after this loss to Manny, Barrea would go unbeaten for 3 years and had wins over Paulie Ayala,Erik Morales,Rocky Juarezx2, and the streak would end to current #2 P4P Juan Manuel Marquez.

And he would also end up back higher than Manny in the P4P ranking, so i just don't think Barrea was a washed fighter the first time Manny fought him ,as he proved with his record pre fight and what he when on to do after there fight.

Just my view.

I wouldn't say washed up, just no longer at his peak.

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

I see where you are coming from but I would put Spinks higher based on the division (possibly the toughest 175 title fights post-WW2 -of course if the right people got their shots in the 40s, Charles, Moore and so on that would not be the case) he ruled and on his better adventure at HW (even tho... should it matter for the 175 ranking? I dunno).

I guess it just comes down to which factors you give more weight to. I don't really consider what happend at Heavyweight, only their performance at 175.

Poet