ATG Lists

[THE REED]

Poet...Im still trying to send you a 500gb hard drive and pay you to fill it lol......

[Southpaw16BF]

I wouldn't say washed up, just no longer at his peak.

Poet

I onestly do think he peaked again, as well as his Super Bantamweight peak.

[gregc]

Great pic

[them_apples]

Kostya to me is a 140 lb great, on your list, a welterweight. I see him as a great. Morales needs to make the featherweight list also IMO.

good to see Carlos Zarate getting some love, I have him higher ranked than Ruben Olivares my self.

[JAB5239]

good to see Carlos Zarate getting some love, I have him higher ranked than Ruben Olivares my self.

I do too, but Olivares was no joke.

[1SILVA]

Featherweights

ATGs

01. Alexis Arguello
02. Willie Pepp
03. Sandy Sadler
04. Salvador Sanchez
05. Eusebio Pedrosa
06. Jem Driscoll
07. Marco Antonio Barrera
08. Abe Attell
09. Young Griffo
10. Manny Pacquiao


Some Near Greats (Alphabetical)

Baby Arizmendi
Bobby Chacon
Kid Chocolate
Johnny Dundee
Jeff Fenech
**** Finnegan
Naseem Hamed
Kevin Kelley
Johnny Kilbane
Juan LaPorte
Danny Lopez
Juan Manuel Marquez
Freddie Miller
Sergio Palma
Sugar Ramos
Vincente Saldivar

Great list, but what about Ernesto Marcel and Wilfredo Gomez? Marcel defeated Arguello, and Gomez was one of the 10 best fighters of his generation

[Greatwhitehope]

You know what drives me nuts? Someone like Gene Tunney getting ranked on Heavyweight ATG lists when he had a grand total of FIVE fights at Heavyweight in a 60+ fight career. Cripes O'Friday how can someone be an ATG in a division THEY HARDLY FOUGHT IN!!!!!

Poet

I rate Tunney as an ATG in the Heavyweights because of what he accomplished in beating Jack Dempsey and the way he did, taking a more scientific approach and watching the tapes and Dempsey and learning his weaknesses and exploiting them. To what I know he was one of the first to get really serious about a game plan rather than just trying to smash their opponents face in.

[StarshipTrooper]

I rate Tunney as an ATG in the Heavyweights because of what he accomplished in beating Jack Dempsey and the way he did, taking a more scientific approach and watching the tapes and Dempsey and learning his weaknesses and exploiting them. To what I know he was one of the first to get really serious about a game plan rather than just trying to smash their opponents face in.

But the point still stands: He had only 5 fights at Heavyweight. An ATG at Lightheavyweight? Absolutely. Just not in a division he was there long enough to have a cup of coffee in.

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

Great list, but what about Ernesto Marcel and Wilfredo Gomez? Marcel defeated Arguello, and Gomez was one of the 10 best fighters of his generation

I consider Gomez a near-great. The lists of near-greats at the bottom isn't all-inclusive.

Poet

[MarkScott]

Heavyweight:
1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Holmes
4. Lewis
5. Foreman
6. Johnson
7. Holyfield
8. Frazier
9. Tyson
10. Marciano

Light Heavyweight:
1. Archie Moore
2. Ezzard Charles
3. Gene Tunney
4. Michael Spinks
5. Bob Foster
6. Roy Jones Jr.
7. Billy Conn
8. Tommy Loughran
9. Tommy Gibbons
10. Dwight Muhammad Qawi

Middleweights:
1. Marvin Hagler
2. Harry Greb
3. Carlos Monzon
4. Stanley Ketchel
5. Bernard Hopkins
6. Bob Fitzsimmons
7. Ray Robinson
8. **** Tiger
9. Charley Burley
10. Jake Lamotta

That's all I've bothered to make. Haven't really done it for the other 14 divisions.

Great list--but I would rate Monzon tops at middleweight. And rate Johnson #3 at heavyweight.

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